Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I just read another lengthy diatribe about gloves. Apparently, if you wear gloves you are not a “real” beekeeper. This kind of BS irritates me no end.

This particular article wasted a lot of ink on how to wean yourself from gloves. You go from thick leather, to thin leather, to dishwashing gloves, to latex, to nothing. It talks about psyching yourself up for the task of bear-handedness. The first day you stand in the apiary—gloveless. Next day, you take off the outer cover—gloveless. And on and on. How inane.

The article has you “becoming accustomed” to your bees by smoking everything—the bee yard, your hands, clothing, outside the hive, inside the hive. Smoke, smoke, smoke. Clouds of it everywhere. That is moronic. That is not “becoming accustomed” to bees, that’s just replacing one suit of armor with another.

Speaking of smoke and psychology reminds me of a roommate I had in college. She was deathly afraid of snakes and signed up for a series of sessions designed to cure her fear. The first day she had to be in a room with a snake in a cage. The next time, she had to take one step closer. Then two steps . . . and so on, for weeks and weeks. But between sessions, she became so anxious she went from smoking a pack a day to two. Long term, which is worse? A fear of snakes or a two-pack a day habit?

I’ve seen a form of this in beekeepers, as well. Some newbees, in their lust to become “real,” simply avoid inspecting their hives altogether rather than having to do it gloveless. Sure, a thick glove my kill more bees than a bare hand, but long term, which is worse? Squishing a few extra bees or not checking them at all?

Beekeepers who have recently shed their gloves are the worst when it comes to giving advice. They are just as self-righteous as reformed drinkers, smokers, and sinners. Seriously, I’m happy for those people; they have accomplished something. But must they rub it in your face?

My advice to beekeepers? Forget it. Wear what makes you comfortable. You will do the best for your bees when you are relaxed around them.

The first time I did a gloveless hive inspection I didn’t even realize it until I was almost done. I was worried about the hive and had a mental list of things I wanted to check. I was so intent on not forgetting the list that I forgot my gloves instead. As I was putting the hive back together I got stung on the finger—and suddenly realized I was gloveless. That was easy enough.

This will happen to you, too. It will happen naturally—at the right time for you—without any stress or strange rituals. In the meantime, don’t make a stigma out of nothing. I still wear gloves when I feel like it. Or I don’t, if I don’t. If someone decides my gloves indicate I’m not a “real” beekeeper, that is their problem, not mine.

Rusty
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Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Wear them as long as you like.

As I've only recently returned to beekeeping I'm making sure I use gloves at all times when handling my bees. I use marigolds and I've removed the finger tips from the gloves as I find that the gloves stick to the propolis on the frames which causes a lot of jarring which agitates the bees. The few beekeepers I know in the area all wear full bee suits but no gloves as the find them a hindrance, they keep them for when dealing with bad tempered hives/swarms only.

Just wondering what people here use for protecting their hands? I'm not planning to stop using a full suit, but the gloves are an issue. I don't want something that will cook my hands, but also want something that will give me adequate protection and enable me to manipulate my hive without upsetting the bees.

Get bees that you can handle without gloves. I haven't worn mine once this season.

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I use latex gloves, if they get too sticky or I move to another hive I use another pair.

Mike.

Use Latex/Nitrile gloves to keep my hands free of propolis as much as anything. There's no protection per se but I find that my bees are a lot better tempered since I switched as I don't crush as many. Had one sting across 20+ different colonies (3 of my own plus a few others I've been through) so far this season.

Find Tesco value washing up gloves offer a reasonable compromise between a degree of protection whilst still allowing you to feel what you're doing, but I don't like using them anymore I find I'm a lot more clumsy using them.

Use Latex/Nitrile gloves to keep my hands free of propolis as much as anything.


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WHS I think it gives me a bit of "confidence" ie I KNOW they don't provide much protection but they make me feel better...... Plus when I see all the gunk I get on them I am happy its not all over my hands.... just wip them off and I'm done..... Just come back in from my ladies and I think the only comment I've got is "Its Bl**dy Hot!!"..... Feet in pools of sweat in the wellies.... hands sopping from the gloves..... undies and Tee-shirt wet..... (stripped to shreddies under Suit)......

Still - the girls were charming.... and everything looked good!!

I do find the heat can be a problem somtimes, it seems to annoy the bees to have sweat drip from my nose into the top of the brood chamber when I'm picking out another frame to inspect! As I'm still new to beekeeping I love having the propolis on my fingers purely because of the smell of the stuff so I think I may switch to no gloves at all, might help to keep me cooler.

Thanks for the comments guys

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As a newbie, I started with latex,then nitrile gloves. Now nothing. Two stings on hands so far: both my carelessness. I have a pair of thick gloves inside closed (taped) pocket in my bee jacket in case of emergencies. Not used so far Also antihistamnine tablets and handwipes ditto...

Edit: My bees are v docile as are those in N STaffs Apiary...where I train..

i have always used leather gloves but tried rubber gloves for the first time this weekend - wilkinsons heavy duty washing up gloves - very good. Much better to handle the frames with etc. One or two bees tried to sting but they didnt let any through.

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Ensuring sympathetic handling is (or should be) the aim of all of us, my only concern about the theme of this thread (i.e. minimum / no hand protection) is the 'un-expected'. We might understand the rules but you can't ensure the bees do. See a previous threads with regard multiple sting reactions and a previous thread where a (subsequently identified as queenless) hive on rape attacked me when I hadn't opened or manipulated their hive at all. There we hundreds of stings on gloves and fore arms and a few got through. By the time you had registered the situation and put your thicker protective gloves on it would have been too late to protect you. There are times when you are planning to handle the queen or similar where 'feel' is essential, there are other times where maintaining protection should be the norm. I think having gloves that are both effective at protection and fit properly is important. How many times have you seen people in gloves that are wrong for them with spare leather hanging off the end of their fingers to get stuck under frames.

When it comes to PPE I think we should go back to basics, 'plan for the worst, hope for the best'. Sorry, from my own experiences I dont feel happy with the minimalist protection tone of this thread. A happy end to my story, the queenless bitches are now queen right and off the rape and little darlings again. Bee temperament can change faster than your gloves.

I would love to be able to use no gloves but with mine it's not possible. Inspected today with marigolds over nitrile (stings don't get through) so they stung me on the arm and on the back through the bee suit - serves me right for only wearing a short-sleeved shirt under. This particular hive is awaiting a virgin to mate but it's always been bad tempered and I can't wait to see if the new queen produces gentler bees.

Normally I use nitrile only as the other hives all produce lots of propolis which is not easy to wash from your hands.

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Any thread that promotes minimum / no hand protection / non-suit wearing / naked bee-keeping needs taking outside, lining up against the wall and shooting dead.

Although i'm new i wear everything. As i use to work in glass houses in heat of upto 100F dressed in full white suit and wearing gloves , the heat when inspecting bees does not bother me at all. Maybe as i get more experience i will take the odd layer off, we'll see lol

Edit >>> posted at the same time as white park. the odd layer isn't coming of lol

Ensuring sympathetic handling is (or should be) the aim of all of us, my only concern about the theme of this thread (i.e. minimum / no hand protection) is the 'un-expected'.

I agree with you and the other posts since. While bees can sting through the gloves, in my experience, generally they don't; even when getting grumpy. I don't know whether the gloves just mask your smell so your hands aren't perceived as living but when I was stung a couple of months back they went straight for my wrist instead where the suit had ridden up. I've never been stung through the gloves since I switched to them. I absolutely don't advocate minimal protection. I wear a minimum of a Veil and smock, trousers and boots with gloves any time I'm opening a hive and more often than not wear a full bee suit. I do believe that switching to Latex/Nitrile gloves makes you a more Sympathetic handler, to use your phrase, at minimal additional risk but if the thought of using them actually ends up making you more nervous then continue with something thicker.

I'm just sticking to my limited observation that you need the protection afforded by thicker gloves to make up for making your bees that much angrier by wearing the things to begin with. The thinner my gloves have gotten, the less my bees have tried to sting me.

Well I know it's not my gloves when they start pinging the veil as I walk up to the hive. As I said, they swarmed so I await the new queen (assuming she mates).

I've noticed they react less to yellow gloves.

When I started last year I wore yellow kitchen rubber gloves, but one of my mentors wore none. He never got stung on the hands, so I started leaving my cloves in my box. At first i was nervous, but it makes you look very carefully at where you put you're fingers. I have not been stung and my confidence has grown. I still carry my cloves but have only used them for cutting out comb from a chimney and a swarm collection when I had to put my hands into and around the cluster.
Steve.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Any thread that promotes minimum / no hand protection / non-suit wearing / naked bee-keeping needs taking outside, lining up against the wall and shooting dead.


A bit drastic
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. come to my apiary when my mates are here and you can pretend you're up the lakes .
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John Wilkinson

Specifically about Cloves EDITED/DELETED Thought I'd piggyback my Oil of Cloves question onto a thread where it had been touched upon. But actually, I now think it was just a typo for 'gloves'.

So, I've started a specific thread, and deleted the post here - sorry!

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Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Nitrile gloves here but if I stretch they expose my wrists, Id say they are longish cuffs but maybe someone knows of better one's?

We had a chap (beekeeper) die in plymouth last year (perhaps year before) it was reported that he had taken 30 stings. I use full protection all the time! I cant use leather but do go for heavy duty washing up gloves, i have considerd taping them to my suit as they keep riding up. Even when realy hot i keep long sleved clothes under suit and just sweat. many of the experanced guys at the assoiciation go in bare handed but i think its just that they are REALY experanced and although i would wish to emulate them i am not realy experanced and should stay on the side of caution. I hate wearing a veil as i cant seem to see stuff right but i wouldnt dream of going in without one.

If like me you feal a bit of a 'plok' with yellow gloves go find the black ones

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Stay safe

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Nitrile gloves here but if I stretch they expose my wrists, Id say they are longish cuffs but maybe someone knows of better one's?


Kimberly Clark Nitrle Xtra Gloves have a longer cuff. I have been using them since spring with no problems. Got them from Solway Bee Supplies.


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There's so much propolis on my gloves, the bees can't sting through it

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If like me you feal a bit of a 'plok' with yellow gloves go find the black ones

Stay safe

Colour of the glove makes a HUGE difference!! I did some work last year recovering some hives that had been forgotten for years. My brother helped, his first encounter with bees, so I handed him some welding gauntlets, so if he did get stung it would not go through. For some of the time I too had gauntlets on, as we were cutting down 7 years(ish) of brambles

see http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=11275

My gloves were a dark navy blue. His were be much brighter blue and he had a cloud of bees constantly stinging the gloves. It did not matter which hive he was near nor what he was doing, they just did not like the gloves and continued stinging even when they were off and in the boot of the car. I tend to use either green or yellow washing up gloves as I think the bees know what is skin (easy to sting) and what is protected.. My 2p worth

Danny

I use SHONA gardening gloves. They have rubberised palms and underside of fingers but are still thin/soft enough to feel what you are doing, but makes me feel safe. The backs are soft fabric, like socks, which I guess would not offer much protection if a bee were determined to get me! The ones I use are light blue and I have never had a sting through them yet (that's cursed it!) but you can get them in a whole range of colours, I also have pink as a spare pair.
My Dad was more of a "naked" beek, he never wore gloves that I remember, and often just had a lighted fag in his mouth instead of a smoker or veil!!!!!

This guy should wear gloves:

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Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Up until 10 years or so ago I was much less careful than I am now. A queenless hive taught me a painful lesson. Then I had a worrying experience with a non bee related allergic reaction which hospitalised me for a few days. Took me a month to be able to return to work and I still looked and felt awful when I went back. This put me off taking any risk of any allergic reactions to anything. Nowadays I take PPE VERY seriously. No gloves is a no no.

Cazza

I've always worn gloves and after last year, I will continue to wear leather gauntlets. Last year, I was going through the hives when I got stung on the back of the hand between the thumb and forefinger. I managed to pull the sting out and then went to work. One hour later, with pain mounting, I decided to go to the pharmacy. By this time my hand and forearm had swollen right up and the pharmacist gave me an antihistamine and told me that if the pain did not ease then I should go and see my doctors. Well, that day the pain eased a little and to cut a long story short, I had an ECG and blood tests...a few days later and the pain had gone. I have been stung this year and so far so good...so maybe last year was just a one off, who knows. Anyway, I will be using gloves again this year.

One of the hives swarmed this year and as I didnt have anywhere to put them, I called in a bee keeper to come and take them away. He didnt have any gloves on at all

Just watched that You Tube video

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Gloves and no gloves, who cares? What ever you feel comfortable with.

PH

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Ensuring sympathetic handling is (or should be) the aim of all of us, my only concern about the theme of this thread (i.e. minimum / no hand protection) is the 'un-expected'. We might understand the rules but you can't ensure the bees do. See a previous threads with regard multiple sting reactions and a previous thread where a (subsequently identified as queenless) hive on rape attacked me when I hadn't opened or manipulated their hive at all. There we hundreds of stings on gloves and fore arms and a few got through. By the time you had registered the situation and put your thicker protective gloves on it would have been too late to protect you. There are times when you are planning to handle the queen or similar where 'feel' is essential, there are other times where maintaining protection should be the norm. I think having gloves that are both effective at protection and fit properly is important. How many times have you seen people in gloves that are wrong for them with spare leather hanging off the end of their fingers to get stuck under frames.

When it comes to PPE I think we should go back to basics, 'plan for the worst, hope for the best'. Sorry, from my own experiences I dont feel happy with the minimalist protection tone of this thread. A happy end to my story, the queenless bitches are now queen right and off the rape and little darlings again. Bee temperament can change faster than your gloves.


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I always use leather gloves, but I have taken them off during an inspection but only if the bees are calm

There is no such thing as a bee whisperer...it always comes down to the bees themselves. Personally have tried with and without and now simply don't need to go without. For the operations such as queen marking it is still possible to do this in gloves while pinning her on a comb. You just cannot trust your bees that much unless you can be sure of their circumstances, breeding attributes, etc. We have had some very gentle bees but they seem such a distant memory and to be honest we don't keep bees to increase our risks just for a little honey, All the best,

Sam

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Gloves or no gloves, it's a good idea to take off rings before handling bees, because stung fingers can swell quite a lot.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I beekeep without gloves - unless the bees are very bad tempered . In those cases I wear marigolds. Nitrile for handling fondant.

I loathe sweaty hands...

I swell far too much when stung so don't take any chances. Big thick latex gloves for me every time I touch the hive. Not accidentally squashed a bee yet but still get stung on the fingers from time to time although the sting doesn't penetrate

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Copped a few stings above the top of the gauntlet last year though My forearm swole so badly I couldn't wear a watch for a week
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I have a colleague who has just started a beekeeping course and the teacher advocates that they don't wear gloves. I really don't get this. I work with gloves and in the 3 years since I have been a beek I have been stung 3 times through the gloves. I know that it would have been many more if I worked without.

With newbies they are likely to be put off if they pick up too many stings too soon.

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no gloves ... except for hive hygene reasons and SWMBO says ... no rings, its no fun having them cut off... we have had bees sting through motorbike gloves so we have given up on gloves and leave them alone when they dont want to play.. but then our bees will put with alot providing we dont muck them about... i.e. :

  • we dont open them up more than once a week
  • we go in, do what we planned, get them closed up asap
  • use the correx cover boards.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I swell when stung so take 8 hour Benadryl tablets when at risk of being stung. And pull the stings out asap which makes a real difference.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I wear gloves when necessary usually when working on colonies that use propolis to the extreme !

My advice to noobs is to go bare handed as most people swell quite a bit on being stung until their bodies have ceased displaying strong local reactions to bee venom

Thus avoiding the embarrassment/source of amusement of friends and family spotting a huge swollen nose etc. .

Better whip the immune system into shape asap


VM

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when i nitrate gloves at work and they last about 10 seconds so leather I have no probs with, I can do all beekeeping manipulations with them except marking queen that i do when the hive is calm


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I didn't use gloves a few days ago and my wife complained about the state of my sticky fingers. So back to the nitrile ones. I'd only use leather if I had to deal with some suicidal nutters.

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Many of ours are quite keen on the propolis. I don't select against it as it has useful properties (and we have never had any chalkbrood...so who knows...). So it's thin nitriles for everything except really arsey colonies when the weather's bad etc and something has to be done when I have been known to wear the blue plastochrome gloves with the attached gauntlets: too thick for any finesse though so don't like them.

However the current nitriles don't grip the wrists properly so have taken a few where bees have crawled down the glove. I don't react at all to stings on the arms but still not to be recommended.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I have a colleague who has just started a beekeeping course and the teacher advocates that they don't wear gloves. I really don't get this. I work with gloves and in the 3 years since I have been a beek I have been stung 3 times through the gloves. I know that it would have been many more if I worked without.

With newbies they are likely to be put off if they pick up too many stings too soon.

what type of gloves - gauntlet for prtection or rubber-latex/nitrile for hygiene? as a newbie I use rubber/nitrile for hygiene - I know they won't stop stings. And as a newbie I accept the occasional sting as part and parcel of having bees.

Hopefully my handling skills will grow and I will get as few stings as possible.

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As far as stings go, I averaged 40 odd per year in my first two years and now in year 3 I am at 27 so about normal I guess.

That's only about 2 a keeping week so nothing to complain about. My carpentry is more painful than bee stings..

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Not had too many stings. I must be naturally slow moving. (Hope I didn't jinx myself now saying that). I wear marigolds and they can sting through them but it must be more difficult to do. Today I found that marigolds make it easier to get the stings out. Just pull away from the hand.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

I didn't use gloves a few days ago and my wife complained about the state of my sticky fingers. So back to the nitrile ones. I'd only use leather if I had to deal with some suicidal nutters.


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VM

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I've started using the thin nitrile ones once I know the hive, but the thick ones come out for the unknowns.

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Wouldn't dream of opening any of my hives without full suit, marigolds and a lit smoker just in case.

Any thread that promotes minimum / no hand protection / non-suit wearing / naked bee-keeping needs taking outside, lining up against the wall and shooting dead.

Saw on a new zealand forum that you should learn to keep bees in a tee shorts and shorts. Hardy guys there I suppose or masochists ?

Any thread that promotes minimum / no hand protection / non-suit wearing / naked bee-keeping needs taking outside, lining up against the wall and shooting dead.

Nitrile/Latex gloves are protection. That's a million miles removed from the guys with 100% guaranteed bee strain who can inspect wearing a handkerchief round their nadgers and nothing else.

Do you need chain mail and those god awful gauntlets? normally no you don't, but people wear them as matter of course... so you're clumsy, so bees sting, so you need protection...

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Saw on a new zealand forum that you should learn to keep bees in a tee shorts and shorts. Hardy guys there I suppose or masochists ?

Not at all. The hardy guy or the masochist would be the ones risking heatstroke doing a day of serious hard work fully kitted up. They can overheat and even pass out. Fancy stripping three deep boxes full of honey off 200 hives in a day, in 30C or more, all wrapped up in clothing, a beesuit, gloves, and boots? On the few hot days we get here, when having to work like that with the black stock, maybe 23 or 24C, doing about half that work, we can get dizzy and quite unwell. They work with bees that you can do that with. They just dont sting unless you nip them or similar. Those who talk of their nice gentle stock in the UK, apart possibly from a handful of people like Hivemaker. actually have no concept of what TRULY gentle bees are. We normally do not work our NZ stock in shorts, but can get away with far less gear than normally the case. Its the bee stock that lets them do it, not that they are especially brave or crazy. Its the same in almost all really serious beekeeping countries. They work with gentle stock only, hence the AHB became such a major issue in the area it is found (it does not establish at latitudes greater than 35deg N or S), as it brought a major change of mindset about how to do it in those zones.

ps............The idea of going at it so hard with the bees is also not a thing greatly understood by the average UK keeper. The average number of hives kept by a British beekeeper is 6, which includes all the big boys too. In New Zealand the same figure is 55. Huge difference in mindset. They just do not tolerate snotty bees there. There are feral colonies, relict stock from UK imports way way back, in the high country and the bush, and these cross into their nice stock and even a small reversion to the A.m.m. characteristics renders them deeply unpopular with the staff and such apiaries are regarded as having drawn the short straw if they turn up on YOUR days rota. They generally have to requeen to get rid of the traces of A.m.m. once those bees are away from those areas.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Do you need chain mail and those god awful gauntlets? normally no you don't, but people wear them as matter of course... so you're clumsy, so bees sting, so you need protection...


Exactly the case.
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Nitrile/Latex gloves are protection. ..............


? ? ? ? ? ? ? Not if the bees sting through them! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Protection;- "the action of protecting someone or something, or the state of being protected. . . . thing that prevents someone or something from suffering harm or injury. . . . immunity from harm to the person. . . . . .barrier, shield, screen, cushion, preventative, armor".

If they're in good spirits I dust my hands in baby powder to stop getting gummed up with propolis. However if they're pissed off then its proper gloves, - - - - - simples!

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I have to agree with the full protection brigade. Plan for the unexpected. Even if its baking hot I still wear full suit, wellies and the sting proof thick blue gloves. Who knows when you might drop your hive tool or sneeze or a frame sticks to the CB or QE and jarrs upsetting the little ladies. And once one bee is upset then the others usually start fussing too As a newbee I didn't realise that bees could be that nasty until I had a fiesty hive of my own to deal with - they can.

Dont let peer pressure do something you aren't comfortable with.

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Frankly I keep bees for an enjoyable hobby. Having to dress up in clothes which make me look a bigger ***** than I already am, with full gloves which render me incapable of any sensitivity at all and with wellies on a hot day is NOT my idea of fun.

(But then I am not a masochist )

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Wear whatever you are comfortable with. But if minimally dressed dont moan about getting stung.

Why dont beekeepers wear gloves

Wear whatever you are comfortable with. But if minimally dressed dont moan about getting stung.


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I wore latex gloves on the advice of an older experienced bee keeper, and have been stung twice on the hand in less than a week-once from my own bees and once at the local apiary. Wonder if it's more to do with the weather and irritable bees as have never been stung before? Am now considering a pair of marigolds?

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Am now considering a pair of marigolds?

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Marigolds work except when you have a lot of bees determined to sting you. Then some will get through:-(. Marigolds covered with nitrile work. I do carry both nitrile and marigolds so if I find really aggressive bees, I have a Plan B or C.

(Plan D is to give up and go home - sometimes the only safe option)