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opportunity of doing, the functions of a mediator policy of British interests—one becoming between contending Powers, depend upon it that this country, one not menacing to others, the effect of mediation will not be diminished but only firmly asking that which they bewhen it is offered by a country strong in its own resources, which does not approach merely in the lieve to be to the interest and lionour of shape of a beggar, but which can say to both our own country. sides, • The line of conduct which it is our duty LORD JOHN RUSSELL (who was im. to pursue we are not merely seeking in forma perfectly heard): Sir, I certainly thought pauperis, but we are a powerful State and have a right to ask you to comply.'”
it quite unnecessary to take any notice of
the speech that has been made by my I find that there is a similar report in the noble Friend, who, having given notice of other papers. What, then, I want to call a Motion on this subject, seems to have rethe attention of the House to is this—that flected upon it, and to have come to the this is not language of conciliation. That conclusion that he had much better not is not the language of mediation ; that is make it. I quite agree with him in that not the temperate language befitting a opinion, and certainly it is very harmless Power professing neutrality; that is the to indulge in a sort of triumph and jubilee language of menace ; that is language when, in fact, he was at the same time rewhich, sooner or later, will compromise treating from the position which he had the position of this country; and it is lan- taken up. The noble Lord seems to have triguage to which I feel I cannot forbear umphed in considering that any wishes that calling the attention of the House of Com. my noble Friend and I might have had for
What I want to convey to the freedom in Italy will be disappointed. House is, that if that is the spirit of Her That may be the case, but I sure I am not Majesty's Government it is very possibly ashamed, and I do not think my noble Friend the spirit in which they will enter into the will ever be ashamed, of saying that our council chamber of Europe, if they should wishes were in favour of freedom in any be called upon to take part in the delibe- country in which free institutions can be ration on the treaty of peace ; and I can introduced. It is one thing to say that conceive nothing more likely to bring us you will use the power of the country—that into hostility than using language such as you will interfere with the means of a that language which, as I have said be country, in order to introduce or to foster fore, is the language of menace and inter- free institutions into another country, but vention ; and I trust that the House of it is another thing to rejoice whenever Commons, if that language is to be used, these free institutions prosper, and lament will take the earliest opportunity of ex- whenever they are blighted. The hon. pressing its disapprobation of it. I will Gentleman who spoke last has referred to not proceed further with this question. All Mr. Canning. I remember perfectly well I hope is, that in the events that are to the speech of Mr. Canning in this House come, Her Majesty's Government will
upon the subject of the French invasion of avoid that system of interference and in- Spain. The Spaniards had established tervention which has so perilously distin- free institutions in Spain. The French, at guished our diplomacy in past times. It the bidding, or in concert with the despotic was only the other day that I was reading Powers of Europe, went into Spain to put one of the latest speeches addressed to the down those free institutions. Mr. Canning constituency of Liverpool by Mr. Canning; declared that the policy of this country was and I think it is language that ought to neutrality; but at the same time he did be emphatically remembered by every one not hesitate to say his wishes were that who has the charge of the foreign affairs the Spaniards might be successful in reof this country. He said, “It had been sisting that invasion. The hon. Gentleman too much the fashion of late to mix up no doubt quoted Mr. Canning correctly; but, philanthropy and sentiment with questions at the same time, Mr. Canning did not go of foreign policy, and that at the risk of beyond the line properly chalked out for being considered selfish and narrow-minded the Minister of a 'free country in thus es. he was content to take his ground with pressing his wishes, at the same time that reference to foreign questions on the mere he declared what the policy of the Governconsideration of what was English intement ought to be. The hon. Gentleman rest.” That I hold should be the policy has referred to the conduct of the late Go. of Her Majesty's Government. That po-vernment. I am glad the noble Lord has licy should not be a policy of mere philan- not made it necessary for the House to thropy and sentiment; but it should be a discuss that conduct. I am ready to believe at all times that they were endeavouring, had any effect in producing that moderate to the utmost of their power, with impar- and, I think, wise course which Prussia tiality and care to preserve a neutral posi- has pursued. I believe that her refraintion and prevent the evils of war. I remem- ing from entering at once into the arena of ber saying, when there was a question of war did tend very greatly to circumscribe the Earl of Malmesbury going to a Con- lostilities ; and I believe that if she had gress, that there was neither ability nor entered at ouce into the war on the ground inclination wanting on his part to bring that the war was approaching the Mincio, that Congress to a satisfactory termination. it would have been difficult to say to what I said likewise, during the discussion upon extent that war would have been carried the late vote of confidence, when the papers on, or at what period peace would have were not produced, that it was fair to pre- been proclaimed. In a letter received this sume that everything in those papers day from Naples I find it stated that the would be favourable to the late Govern- Government of that country was not disment, and that, with the papers unseen it posed to enter into the war, but that if would not be justice to presume that those Prussia and Germany had entered into it papers would make out a case of any want public feeling was so strong that it would of impartiality and ability. If we had to go have been impossible to stem the torrent, into all the particulars, there might have and that Power would have joined in hosbeen certain points on which I might have tilities. I believe that then all Italy and said they had not taken the view which, in all Germany would have been involved. I my opinion, was most likely to lead to a rejoice very much that peace is restored. satisfactory result. I think that, espe. The hon. Gentleman says it is a question cially in the beginning of this discussion whether we ought in any way to enter into with France, much might have been a Congress upon it. That is a question of done that was left undone. I am glad the utmost importance, but it is one upon not to enter into that discussion, or to which I think à premature opinion should have a debate on those circumstances. not be pronounced. I understand that the But then the hon. Gentleman, passing by Emperors of France and Austria are not the conduct of the late Government, thinks completely agreed upon that subject, and it fit with the very little knowledge he at all events the question is not before us possesses, and with the little modicum of at present in a shape to justify us in atinformation that I thought it consistent tempting to decide upon it. It appears to with my duty to give, to find great fault me that the influence of England ought to with the present Government for the course be used, if it be used at all upon this sub. which they have pursued. He refers to ject, to confirm peace, to improve any an instance for which I was blamed when treaty if it be possible to improve it; but advice was given to Prussia not to inter- it is no part of our duty to abandon that fere, as we thought, prematurely in the neutral and impartial position for which the war, and not to place herself in the ranks hon. Gentleman takes so much credit to the of the belligerents. In answer to that I late Government for assuming. For my quoted a despatch of the Earl of Malmes- own part, although I attribute great credit bury's, written in the strongest terms, in to the late Government, I must do justice which the same advice was given. She to the present, and also to what I believe was told that her coasts would be ravaged, was and is the universal opinion of the and that England would give her no assis- people of this country. There were reasons, tance. The more I inquired at the Foreign abundant reasons for that opinion. I ven Office, the more strongly does that recom- tured myself in addressing my constituents mendation appear to have been given. It to state the case of both belligerents, and was sent to our Ministers at the German why I thought neither of them was enCourts, and it was even communicated to titled to the assistance of this country. I the German Ministers resident in this coun- said likewise--and I am sorry to say that try, that their Courts might have full in. events seem likely to prove the truth of it formation of the views of the noble Earl, that I did not think the Emperor of so strongly did he think it his duty to warn the French in going to Italy was likely to the German Powers against entering into consolidate the liberties of that country, at this war. I do not regret the advice which the same time it is impossible to lay down Her Majesty's present Government gave any particular rule beforehand for our to Prussia, to consider well and pause be- guidance. The lon. Gentleman took credit fore she made herself a belligerent, if it to the late Government, which I am not
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the French rifled guys were not of the im- | the truth at once. The total sum proposed
portance attributed to them than the fact to be voted this year was £65,000, whilst
that when the French were before the great last year it was said that the sum want-
fortresses in Italy, they felt that the taking ed to complete the whole work was only
of those fortresses was more than they £20,000. He hoped that the right hon.
could accomplish. Sir William Armstrong Gentleman would be able to give the House
had done more for this branch of the ser. some satisfactory explanation.
vice than any man who had ever existed. COLONEL NORTH said, he wished to
It was true he was a civilian, but it should draw the attention of the Committee to the
be remembered that rifling guns had no- fact that last year a correspondence had
thing to do either with the civil or mili- been laid upon the table, on the Motion of
tary service. It was purely a question of the bon. and gallant Member for West- mechanical contrivance; and, having some minster (Sir De Lacy Evans) respecting the
knowledge of the subject, he could assure deaths of a great number of officers and
the House that England was at this mo. men belonging to a detachment of the 41st
ment ahead of every other country in the Regiment at Trinidad. world in the art. There had been a good SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, he
deal said of employing these Armstrong rose to order. He wished to submit to the
guns in ships and adapting them for siège hon. Gentleman in the Chair whether this
purposes. No doubt this might be accomo correspondence was relevant to the Vote plished, and would be in time ; but the before the Committee. difficulties in the way were of a very se- THE CHAIRMAN said he had not yet rious character.
Such an improvement gathered the spirit of the hon. and gallant
would be the result of many years' expe- Member's observations, but he had no doubt
rience, but even at the end of that time he that they would be found applicable to the had no hesitation in saying England would subject under discussion.
still be ahead of all the nations in the COLONEL NORTH said, that he was
world in the art and manufacture of her proceeding to show that it appeared that artillery.
4 officers, 3 sergeants, 17 privates, and 10 Vote agreed to, as were also
women had died from yellow fever in that (2.) £123,500, Fortifications, and island, and the mortality was attributed to (3.) £23,450, Buildings.
the state of the barracks. A letter from (4.) £36,370, Barracks.
Dr. Macdonell, the Deputy Inspector GeneSIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, that ral of Hospitals, dated Barbadoes, Septemthe barracks at Aldershot seemed to have ber 27, 1858, contained the following:involved the most extraordinary accumulation of expense that had ever come before
“ I will this day recommend to the Commander the House. Last night he asked the Se- time under canvass, purely that the St. James's
of the Forces that the troops be kept for some cretary for War what would be the sum Barracks is in the worst position possible. I may required to complete these barracks, and safely assert that if a premium had been offered was told when the money was spent there to any person to select the worst spot he could in was an end of it. Originally the total es- military barrack, the
person who chose the ground
the neighbourhood of Port of Spain to erect a timated cost of completing the barracks at for the present barrack would have been the sucAldershot was £260,000. It had, how- cessful candidate." ever, gradually increased, and last year it was expected to be £400,000. Even then Another letter from Dr. Macdonell, dated it was described as the total estimate “ to the 27th of October, 1858, stated thatwards” the erection of barracks. In the “Lieutenant Byham, of the 41st Regiment, who Votes for the year 1859-60, which the Com. died of yellow fever, was attacked with that disease mittee were now considering, the estimated in barracks; he was acting as fort-adjutant, and cost for these permanent barracks, instead having his office in barracks he preferred to re
main there; it therefore shows that the disease, of being £400,000, amounted to £574,265, as yet, has confined itself to the barracks." besides £40,000 for other items,
He wanted to know what was the meaning of A letter from Dr. Macdonell of the 10th of this continual increase in the estimated January, 1859, stated that “a case of yelcost. It appeared to him that there was low fever proved fatal in barracks on the something radically wrong in getting up 5th of December.” On the 25th January, these Estimates, and there was the appear. | 1859, Dr. Macdonell, writing to the Inance of treating the House of Commons spector-General, said :like children, who could not bear to hear “ In a letter that I addressed to your office of
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SUPPLY-CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES.
the War Department the credit of having there was an increase of £7,800 upon an very faithfully discharged the duty which expenditure of £849,000. The principal they undertook some years ago of spending increase had been in the Post Office De£40,000 a year in the improvement of partment, amounting to £25,000, which barracks. That sum appeared this year in was chiefly owing to the increase of busithe Votes, and, according to a note ap- ness and a slight addition to the wages of pended, it appeared that it was to be ox. the letter-carriers. There was £9,000 for pended in improvements for the accommo- official postages, arising from an accidental dation of married soldiers--a very necessary increase of business. and desirable object.
MR. W. WILLIAMS said, he considered Vote agreed to, as also were the follow that the giving of these amounts in the ing Votes:
Estimates was one of the most important (5.) £1,825, Educational and Scientific reforins of modern times. Formerly these Branches.
charges were deducted from the amount (6.) £13,370, Rewards for Military Ser- raised, and thus they were kept entirely vice.
out of the sight of the House. He thought (7.) £41,067, Pay of General Officers. that the civil service estimates ought not
(8.) £265,702, Pay of Reduced and Re. to be proceeded with, because they were tired Officers.
only just in the hands of Members. He (9.) £95,916, Pensions to Widows. had had no time at all to consider them, (10.) £24,433, Pensions for Wounds. SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, that
(11.) £17,734, Chelsea and Kilmainham be found two Estimates both professing to Hospitals.
give the amount of the salaries and ex(12.) £595,380, Out Pensioners, Chel- penses of the Post-office department for sea Hospital.
the financial year ending March, 1859. (13.) £73,903, Superannuations. The one was dated in March, and the other
in June. The former gave a relative de
crease in the amount of the salaries in the (14.) £657,155 Customs Department. Post Office of £103,000 as compared with
SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, he the amount of the previous year; while wished to know how it was that the Esti- the latter gave an increase of £25,000. mates, as issued in March this
year,
showed Mr. LAING said, he could only repeat a decrease on the whole amount £4,700,000 that the estimates now before the House in comparison with those of last year of were the final estimates furnished by the about £100,000, and the Estimates issued Post Office, and adopted by his predecessor. in June showed an increase of £16,000? All the items were given in great detail, so He also wished to know whether, notwith- as to afford every information which any standing the change made in the theory of hon. Gentleman could require. these departments, according to which the MR. DUNLOP said, he wished to call whole produce of the revenue departments attention to the fact that certain officers was to go into the Exchequer, the salaries belonging to the Customs in the Clyde and expenses were not in fact paid by the ports were paid at a lower rate than the departments themselves before the money same class in Dublin, Bristol, and other came into the Exchequer? It was taking places. a great responsibility upon themselves to MR. LAING assured his hon. and learned pay so large a sum of money without the Friend that he would cause the matter to vote of the House of Commons.
which he had referred to be properly inMR. LAING stated that the object of quired into. the change referred to was to bring this Vote agreed to, as were also the followmoney more within the control of the ing:House. No doubt the salaries were paid (15.) £1,049,864 Inland Revenue Deas the year proceeded, but then the House partment. could check the repetition of anything it (16.) £1,551,213 Post Office. disapproved of in a future year. As to (17.) £356,221 Superannuations. difference of amount exhibited in the Esti- MR. W. WILLIAMS said, he must pro. mates, he could only say that the Estimates test against these enormous Votes being of March and June were both produced by hurried through Committee in order that the late Government. It would be seen the Chancellor of the Exchequer might that the increase was accounted for under make his financial statement on Monday. each head. Under the head of Customs He ventured to say that no Member of the
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Sir Charles Barry could not be closed as long MR. PEASE said, he also should supas the repairs and alterations were going port the adjournment, as he had been in. on as he received a commission on them.
formed by an eminent engineer, that the MR. ALDERMAN SALOMONS observed, expenditure on Alderney IIarbour was not that the right hon. Gentleman had not justifiable. given an answer with regard to the clock MR. DODSON said, he should support bell.
the Vote. It was important that the works MR. FITZROY said, he believed the at Dovor should not be interrupted, bebell was constructed with the greatest pos- cause, if they were stopped, all the money sible care by a gentleman who was sup- hitherto spent would be wasted. posed to understand the manufacture of MR. WARRE said, he must express a bells better than any man in England. The strong opinion that these harbours of recombination of the metal was such as was fuge were among those objects of permacalculated to produce the most harmonious nent utility and necessity which demanded
He was not a judge as to whether the attention of every Government. He it had had that effect, but if the sound hoped they would soon be extended to the were an infliction, he was afraid they were eastern coast. likely to remain under it for a considerable MR. NICOL said, that by the constructime.
tion of the pier at Dovor, troops taken down MR. HANKEY asked, whether there by railway might be embarked on board was any chance of the bell sounding more ship without the intervention of any boats. like ordinary bells. At present it inflicted So far as the works had gone, they had great annoyance upon the public and the completely fulfilled the object in view, and House. He wished to know who was re- he thought it of the utmost importance that sponsible ?
they should be carried on rapidly and to SIR JOHN PAKINGTON said, he completion. thought there was no hope that the bell Mr. MONSELL said, the request of the would ever give forth any other sound, but hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Baxter) he would suggest that a compromise should seemed to him to be a reasonable one ; it be made. It was said the other day that was that the Vote should be postponed till two faces of the clock would not go. Why they had further information. The ori. should not an arrangement be made, that ginal estimate for the harbour of Alderney all the faces of the clock should tell the was £600,000, but last year they were hour, and the horrible tolling should cease. told that an alteration was proposed in the
Vote agreed to; as were also the folloir- plan, which would make it cost £1,300,000. ing Votes.
The Committee did not know which plan (22.) £19,130, Probate Court and Dis. had been decided on; and it was therefore trict Registries.
only reasonable that there should be some (23.) £5,390, Embassy Houses, &c., delay until they had had information laid beAbroad.
fore them on this important subject. At the (24.) £5,500, New Consular Offices, &c., same time he would observe, that there was at Constantinople.
the greatest difference of opinion among Motion made, and Question proposed, - naval officers of the highest authority as "That a sum, not exceeding £174,000, be to the value of these works, and he should, granted to Her Majesty, towards defraying the therefore, have great pleasure in supportExpense of constructing certain Harbours of Re-ing the proposition of his hon. Friend. fuge, to the 31st day of March, 1860."
Mr. LAING said, lie should be able to MR. BAXTER suggested that the Vote show the Committee that the Vote did not should be postponed, as many hon. Gentle involve any of those large questions which men who had paid great attention to the sub- would necessitate the notice required by his ject of harbours of refuge were not in their hon. Friend. The Votes which stood on places.
the Estimates were not for new contracts, MR. BLACKBURN remarked, that an but were simply for the continuation of additional reason for the postponement of works that had already been largely carthe Vote was, that certain returns relative ried out, and were in some instances nearly to the subject were not yet before the completed. The first was for the formation House. It certainly was an odd way of of a large jetty, stretching in the sea at proceeding, to vole money and then to get Dovor, at an estimated cost of £650,000, an explanation of the purposes to which it and on which already a sum of £400,000 was to be applied.
bad been spent. That jetty, he should re.
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steps would be taken to clear off the great | noble Lord (Viscount Duncan) would be increase of causes in this Court.
considered by Government, and an attempt Viscount PALMERSTON said, that the made to bring about an equitable adjustsubject had occupied the attention of the ment between the two countries. Government, and that a measure would in Viscount DUNCAN, said he was willing all probability be introduced on the subject to withdraw his Motion if the Government this Session for the purpose of increasing would give an assurance that a Bill on the the judicial strength of the Court. subject should be brought in. Vote agreed to.
MR. STEUART said, he hoped that (73.) Motion made, and Question pro- Courts came before the House, some en
when the question of building the Sheriff's' posed,
deavour would be made to decrease the “ That a sum, not exceeding £126,150, be grant, judicial expenses in Scotland, which comed to Her Majesty, to complete the sum necessary to defray the Salaries and Expenses of the County paratively were greater than in England. Courts, to the 31st day of March, 1860.”
MR. CUMMING BRUCE advised the VISCOUNT DUNCAN said, he should noble Lord, after the statement of the move that the Vote be diminished by Chancellor of the Exchequer, to withdraw £85,000, the amount alloted for building his Motion. and providing court-houses, offices, station- Motion by leave withdrawn. ery, and printing. The ground upon which MR. HENLEY asked whether the fees he did this was, that there was no provision payable in the County Courts were paid in for finding court-houses for the Sheriffs' money or in stamps, and suggested that Courts of Scotland, and this he thought the latter was the preferable mode. was unfair, when such advantages were
THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. afforded in England.
QUER replied that he would obtain inforMotion made, and Question proposed, - mation, and give an answer to the question “ That the sum of £85,000, on account of the
on a future day. Expense of building and providing Court Houses,
Original Question put, and agreed to. Offices, Stationery, Printing, &c., be omitted from The following Votes were agreed to:the proposed Vote.”
(74.) £14,130, Police Courts. MR. LAING said, the Vote in question
(75.) £90,610, Metropolitan Police. was necessary under an Act of Parliament; (76.) £2,500, Queen's Prison.
House resumed. and, as to the courts in Scotland, the Lord Advocate would take the matter into con
Resolutions to be reported on Monday sideration. MR. DUNLOP said, that the subject
LAW BOARDS (PAYMENT OF had been under consideration for that the Government should be prepared to
DEBTS) BILL. act in the matter.
MOTION FOR SELECT COMMITTEE. THE LORD ADVOCATE said, the business in the Sheriffs' Courts was formerly Order read, for resuming adjourned Deconducted by pleadings, but, as the evi. bate on Question (14th July], " That the dence was now given orally, larger accom- Bill be committed to a Select Committee." modation was required. The question as Question again proposed. to the funds out of which that accommoda- Debate resumed. tion should be provided was under the con- MR. C. P. VILLIERS said, that if there sideration of the Government.
was likely to be a discussion he would postMR. BAXTER said, he thought the Go. pone it. vernment ought to give a distinct pledge MR. CRAWFORD said, that in reply to that early next Session they would bring some observations of the hon, and learned in a Bill to put Scotland exactly on the Member for Southwark (Mr. John Locke) same footing as England in this respect. on a previous night, he must deny that the
MR. HASSARD said, he objected to creditors of the City of London Union had the entire Vote. The expenses of the been parties to the postponement of Civil Bills Courts in Ireland were paid the payment of their debts. Altogether either by the suitors or the counties. The there was due from the City of London construction of the buildings was paid for Union to the creditors a sum of £13,366. out of the county-rates.
The difference between that sum and THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- £23,000 or £24,000 arose from other cirQUER said, the question raised by the cumstances, but did not cousist of debt.
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doubts as to admission to the office of prin- the public prints. It was stated to be a cipal in the Universities of Scotland, despatch written by Lord John Russell,
Acts (16 & 17 Vict., c. 89, and 21 & on the 22nd June, to Lord Bloomfield, our 22 Vict. c. 83) read.
Ambassador at Berlin. This was not the Motion made, and Question proposed, first time their Lordships had heard of “ That this House will immediately resolve this document ; about a fortnight ago he itself into a Committee to consider the said quoted a speech made by Sir Charles Wood Acts.
at. Halifax, in which that right hon. BaMR. BAILLIE COCHRANE said, he ronet referred to a despatch apparently was opposed to proceeding with such an resembling very much the one which was important Motion at such a late hour of now alleged to have been sent to the the morning (half.past one o'clock). Je Court of Prussia. When he formerly, re. would, therefore, move the adjournment of marking that despatch, described it as one the House.
giving strong advice to Prussia to preMotion made and Question proposed, vent her interfering in the war then going “ That the Debate be now adjourned. on, he felt that in that despatch Her
THE LORD ADVOCATE said, he Majesty's Government had somewhat left thought it most unreasonable to oppose that path of neutrality which he thought the Motion, as the object of it was merely so desirable, and had taken on themselves to introduce a measure to correct an ad- the responsibility that all counsellors must mitted mistake in the phraseology of the undertake who give advice unasked. Act in reference to the Scotch Univer- that occasion the noble Duke opposite (the sities.
Duke of Newcastle), in reply said : The House divided :-Ayes 10, Noes “ My noble Friend has enjoyed within the last 54: Majority 44.
few days a privilege which has been wanting to Question put.
me-I mean leisure to read election speeches. Acts considered in Committee.
Until, therefore, he quoted just now the speech of
my right hon. Friend (Sir Charles Wood), I was (In the Committee).
not aware of the words which are said to have Resolved, That the Chairman be directed to fallen from him, and I am not able to state whemove the House, that leave be given to bring in a ther they are accurately reported. Probably the Bill to remove doubts as to admission to the office report is perfectly accurate. If so, I can only say of Principal in the Universities of Scotland. that the despatch which must have been alluded House resumed.
to does not bear the construction which my noble
Friend deprecates, and that whenever the papers Resolution reported.
are laid before the House it will be found that we Bill ordered to be brought in by Mr. have not exposed ourselves to the dangers which CLIVE, Mr. DUNLOP, and Mr. BAXTER. he has very rightly pointed out." Bill presented and read 1°.
The danger which he (the Earl of Mal. The House adjourned at a quarter mesbury) on that occasion pointed out to
before Two o'clock, till the House, and the danger to which he Monday next. again desired to call attention, was
he had just stated that by giving counsel to Prussia, Her Majesty's Government made themselves responsible for the results
which might arise, in case it were followed; HOUSE OF LORDS,
because Prussia might hereafter say that
the advice of Her Majesty's Government Monday, July 18, 1859. had prevented their taking the measures Minutes.] PUBLIC Bills.—1* Marriages; Regis- interests.
which they thought best for their own tration Acts Consolidation ; Bills of Exchange
Now, if the despatch which and Promissory Notes; Executors and Adminis- had appeared that day in the newspapers trators, &c.; Aliens.
was correct--if that was really the de.
spatch to which Sir Charles Wood alluded, AFFAIRS OF ITALY,-AUSTRIA AND and on which he had observed - he did
think that the description which the noble THE EARL OF MALMESBURY said, Duke gave of it was not exactly a corhe had given notice to his noble Friend the rect one, and he could not help thinking President of the Council of his intention that his noble Friend could scarcely have to ask a Question that evening with refer- perused it at the time he spoke. The ence to the authenticity of an important despatch was a long one, and he thought despatch which had appeared in some of he should hardly be justified in reading
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the any claim whatever, but gallantly returned woolsack. The Commissioners had recomto his profession, and from his great skill mended an undivided responsibility, and and learning his practice became greater that he thought was best, but if his noble than ever. He (Lord Brougham) consi- and learned Friend preferred a staff of two dered that Mr. Ker had been illused by or three persons there could be no objecpromotion having been withheld from him. tion. But he never heard even a murmur of com- The said Bills severally read 1°. plaint from himself, and he now made this
House adjourned at half-past Seven statement wholly without having even told
o'clock, till To-morrow, halfMr. Ker of his intention to render him
past Ten o'clock. justice, or having ever had any communi. cation with him on the subject.
LORD ST, LEONARDS was understood to say, that consolidation and not codifica
HOUSE OF COMMONS, tion was what was required, and the most useful description of consolidation was that
Monday, July 18, 1859. which dealt with one particular class of of
Mixutes.] PUBLIC Bills.-1° Ecclesiastical Comfence or branch of law, for it would be both
mission; Universities Incorporation Act Amendunwise and useless to attempt at once a con- ment ; Fireworks Act Amendment. solidation of the laws of England; that one 2° Cambridge University Commission (Continuof the great difficulties by which the con- ance).
30 Chichester Harbour Embankment. solidation of the statute law was beset was that of finding a person on whose ability chicuESTER HARBOUR EMBANKMENT and general competency to examine the several statutes with a view to their classi. fication reliance could be placed. The labour was one which the multifarious duties Queen's Consent signified. of his noble and learned Friend on the Order for Third Reading read. woolsack, as well as of the Attorney and Motion made and Question proposed, VOL, CLIV. (THIRD SERIES.]
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Borough. The Petitioner said, that he for Buckinghamshire, when he held the had learnt that a “Select Committee had office of Chancellor of the Exchequer, during been appointed by that House to inquire the year 1858 ; the actual receipt of reve. into the Mail and Telegraph Contracts, nue which took place when those Estiand that it was likely to investigate the mates came to be tested by the result, and Contract for the Dovor and Ostend Mails ; likewise the experience of the year as it that he had been advised by his counsel stands. The right hon. Gentleman estimatthat it would be very prejudicial to his ed the Customs' revenue at £23,400,000. case, if this part of the Contract inquiry It produced £24,117,000. He estimated were to take place until the Dovor Election the Excise at £18,600,000. It produced Committee had sat. The Petitioner, there only £17,902,000. He took the stamps at fore, prayed the House to direct the Select £7,850,000. They produced £8,005,000. Committee on Contracts, not to proceed | The Land and Assessed Taxes were eswith its investigation, as far as the Dovor timated at £3,200,000 ; they produced Contract was concerned, until the Election | £3,162,000. The income tax, which Committee had closed its labours. He, the right hon. Gentleman estimated at therefore, gave notice, that to-morrow he £6,100,000, exceeded that sum by more than should move, that the Petition be printed half a million, and produced £6,683,587. with the Votes.
The Post-office revenue corresponded alMR. ROEBUCK said, he understood most precisely with the estimate of the right that a Committee of the House was ap- hon. Gentleman, which was £3,200,000. pointed to pronounce, whether Petitions The Crown Lands, which he took at should be printed or not; and until that £270,000, produced £280,041, and the Committee had come to a determination, Miscellaneous revenues, which he calculated no Motion could be made for printing a would produce £1,300,000, have amountPetition, unless the right hon. Member cd to £2,125,944. The Miscellaneous restated that he meant to found a Resolu- venues, it will be in the recollection of the tion upon it.
Committee, are very difficult to estimate MR. E. P. BOUVERIE had not made with precision, particularly at a period a Motion, he had only given notice of one shortly after the close of a great war, when for to-morrow.
extensive changes are in progress in the manufacturing establishments of the country, which lead to the disposal of old stores
and the substitution of new ones upon a QUESTION
scale that is sometimates impossible to calIn reply to a question by Mr. VINCENT culate beforehand. The general result on SCULLY,
the total of the revenue of the year was, I MR. CARDWELL said, that the sub-think, satisfactory. The right hon. Genject had been brought under his notice, tleman estimated the entire revenue at but it was not bis intention to bring in a £63,920,000 ; its precise amount was Bill on the subject during the present Ses. | £65,477,284. With respect to expendision.
ture, I do not know that I need trouble the Committee by referring to the original Estimates of the right hon. Gentleman, be
cause they were subjected to certain modi. COMMITTEE
fications in the course of the Session, as Order for Committee read.
Supplementary Estimates, adding to the House in Committee of Ways an Mean charges for the year, were brought forMR. MASSEY in the Chair.
ward. But I shall state to the Committee THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE- theexpenditure as it actually took place. The QUER : I presume, Sir, that it will be charge of the debt took £23,527,484; the for the convenience of the Committee that Consolidated Fund charge was £1,940,655; I should follow the usual practice of making the charge for the Army was £12,512,291; known to it, before I proceed to discuss the charge of the Navy, £9,215,487 ; the any plans or proposals of the Government, Civil Services amounted to £7,169,473 ; the results of the finance of the last year. the collection of the revenue, or the expenThis need not occupy any great length of Jiture on account of the revenue depart. time. I will state to the Committe the Es-ment, was £4,515,969. There were, betimates of income as they were proposed sides, two Votes retrospective in their charby the right hon, Gentleman the Member acter, one of them for operations in China,
TIIE ORDNANCE SURVEY OF IRELAND.
WAYS AND MEANS.—THE BUDGET.
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apologetic tone. On the contrary, I know nothing but a dire necessity should induce well that large as those demands are, they us to borrow. Whatever doctrine may be have been voted with freedom and with theoretically held and propounded by high enthusiasm, and that if it had seemed right authorities with respect to the facility with to the Goveryment, from the information which we bear the burden of a national which we possess, to make a still larger debt, I do not think that any man stand. drain on the confidence and patriotism of ing in my place would wish so to apply Parliament, it would have been as freely that doctrine as to relax the sound manly and as warmly met. But apart entirely sentiment which fills the British people and from the exigencies of the public defence Parliament with aversion to the principle and the public service, it remains the duty of borrowing to meet the ordinary expenof the Government to consider what is not diture of the year. There have been cases only necessary to be done, but likewise to undoubtedly — but they were exceptional take care that the funds with which they cases-in which we have resorted to bor. are so generously intrusted are wisely and rowing even in time of peace. Two I may thriftily expended; and it is with reference quote, but I quote them only that the Comto that great duty of public economy—a mittee may bear freshly in mind how difduty which no public exigency can set ferent were the circumstances from those aside -- although, unfortunately, certain in which we now stand. In 1835 the circumstances of public affairs greatly in- Government of Lord Melbourne borrowed dispose the minds of men to its dry details £20,000,000 for the purpose of negro -that I venture to submit to the Commit- emancipation, but that was a service to tee that the Members of the Government mark an epoch in a nation's life, and it have, as yet, had no opportunity of consi. had no connection with the ordinary exdering, each in his own department, in penditure of the year. Again, in 1847-8, what respects, apart from the honour and my right bon. Friend the present Secresafety of the country, it is possible for tary for India (Sir Charles Wood) made a them to look forward to any alleviation of loan of £10,000,000, but it was for the the public burdens by way of counterpoise purpose of meeting a frightful visitation in to the present heavy demands which the ihe sister island, and at the time it would necessities of the time have imposed on have hardly been possible to raise by the the public purse. I must also remind the taxes of the year the sum for which he Committee that I have not the honour to was compelled to apply to Parliament with address it, as is usually the case, either the view of relieving the distress occasionbefore the financial year has commenceded by that calamity. Those two cases are or shortly after its commencement. Nearer entirely different from this both in amount four months than three have now elapsed and in principle. They are different in since the commencement of your financial amount, because one sum was four times, year, and none of your financial measures, and the other twice, as large as that which therefore, can be made practically retro. I have now to ask at your hands. They spective. Subject to the effect of these were different also in principle, because general considerations, I come now to ask while one related to a great and extraorthe Committee to reflect by what mode of dinary visitation of Providence, the other supply shall we raise the sum which will was connected with a permanent social enable us to meet the heavy demands of change, the opportunity of which could the year? Of course this great question not again occur. You are now, on the divides itself at first into these two branches contrary, called on to meet an expendi-shall we attempt to raise the necessary ture which, legitimate and needful as it funds by borrowing or by taxes? The is, has reference strictly and exclusively Committee will have to consider whether to your own wants,—to the wants of the this is an occasion on which it ought to time in which you yourselves are living. resort to the expedient of a loan. The sum It appears to the Government for these which is required is between £4,000,000 reasons, and I hope it will also appear and £5,000,000. It is certainly a large to the Committee, that this is not the sum to demand from the tax-payers at a occasion for a loan. Another matter we short notice. But, on the other hand, it are bound to take into view in consider. is a sum which has never driven a British ing this question is the condition of the Parliament to the expedient of augment country. I must express my firm convicing the National Debt. I think we are all tion that there never was a period when nearly agreed on this, that in time of peace the people of England were better satisfied of the justice and necessity of the demands | taining rapidly and effectually some consimade upon the public purse, and that there derable amount of revenue. Those artinever was a time when they were more cles which I think would present themable or more willing to meet them. I re- selves to any Finance Minister engaged fer it alike to the hearts and understand in the disagreeable task of selecting new ings both of those who hear me, and of subjects of taxation would, I think, ordithose out of doors who will consider our narily, be malt, spirits, tea, and sugar. I discussions and debates, whether we should confess, Sir, it is my own opinion, and it not shrink from our duty and disgrace the is the opinion, I believe, of all my colmemory of those who have gone before us leagues, that it would not be desirable to if we were to hesitate to say that we will propose any augmentation of the duty upon provide for the wants of the day in which malt. [“ Hear, hear!” from an hon. we live, not in such a manner as will fur- Member on the Opposition Benches.] I ther embarrass, our posterity, but out of am glad to have given consolation to at the resources immediately at our com- least one anxious and wounded mind; but mand. There is another reason, too, not we must frankly own, and I own it the altogether agreeable, at which I may more frankly as I was the person who proslightly glance. There will soon be an- posed the measure, that when we did, other public borrower in the market with under strong necessity, in a time of war, whom I have no desire to compete. My propose a great augmentation of the right hon. Friend the Secretary of State malt duty, although we derived from for India will, I believe, have to make an- it a large sum of money, yet that sum other application to Parliament in addition of money did not altogether answer our to the measures already taken, in order to expectations. It is not a very elastic meet the exigencies of the Indian sérvice ; revenue. It is a large revenue, but it does and if the Committee will allow me, I not seem susceptible of bearing additional must frankly confoss that I would rather burdens. On the whole, therefore, what leave the field clear to him, and be dis- seems obviously to be the dictate of good pensed from interfering with his opera- sense is that under present circumstances tions. What I have presumed to say with we should let well alone. Well, then, the regard to a loan appears to me equally ap- next article I mentioned was the article of plicable to the more temporary mode of spirits, and I believe that, judging from borrowing by instruments at a short date, what I hear of the accelerated deliverances such as Exchequer bills. If ever there from bond of spirits in the different parts was a time to which this mode of borrow of the United Kingdom, there is a portion ing was inapplicable, it is the present, be of the public who either think themselves, cause its effect would be, not to throw or who think that somebody thinks that the burden on posterity, but upon the year they are, very proper subjects of taxation. 1860, which we shall all agree is already I should be very sorry to give a pledge charged to its very utmost. If, then, I which was intended to bind future years, have sufficiently got quit of the first alter- because the principle upon which the House native of making provision by borrowing of Common has, I think, uniformly profor the deficiencies of the present year, ceeded with respect to spirits has been, and if we seem to be driven by considera- not that we ought to lower the duties upon tions of justice and policy to the other them as much as we can consistently with alternative of looking to taxes for the the interest of the revenue, but that we means of meeting our expenditure, we ought to raise the duties upon them as much have still one other question before us — as we can consistently with the policy and shall we look to direct taxation or to an necessity of preventing the growth of a couaugmentation of our indirect taxes ? I traband trade. I wish merely to say, that propose not to enter into any elaborate or we now think that question should be postdetailed inquiry, because I think a very poned to a future year.
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, Sir, £4,867,000 augment the price of barley to the pure was the sum which I ventured to state to chasers. It certainly did tend to break up the Committee as the gross deficiency the malt trade, and to bring many compewhich we shall have to meet. But there titors into the market. But we have, I is a question which I am about briefly to hope, long outlived the day when any con. open, and a source from which (without sideration of that kind, arising out of artiexposing ourselves to any objection which ficial interests, either could, would, or ought applies to borrowing, and without incon- to be entertained. The system of finding veniently interfering with the course of capital for traders on the part of the public trade or private interest) we may yet draw is in principle a bad system, and being bad a limited sum in alleviation of the public it has also this second bad feature, that it burdens. It is a source not altogether is an exceptional system, being a privilege new to this House, because it has been granted to some and not to others. Therementioned from time to time by Chancel- fore the Government are of opinion that lors of the Exchequer, and it has always the time has come when this system may been felt that the time would come when be safely modified—I don't say abolished some proposal on the subject would be altogether, because a sudden abolition of made. I refer to what is called the eystem such a system would derange the trade, of malt credits. It is known to a large and run the risk of hampering the operaportion of the Committee that there is a tions of private parties, whose resources peculiarity in the collection of the malt might not be large, and that would be exand hop duties. I will not touch upon the tremely objectionable. My proposal is, latter, because the case is peculiar, and therefore, to deal with the malt credits, but the amount involved small; I will deal to deal with them in the mildest manner. exclusively with the duties on malt, and of the eighteen weeks now allowed wo speaking roughly there is a credit of nearly propose to take away six, leaving twelve. six months which is given to the maltster I do not say that there might not be a by the public, the effect of which is that he further measure in the same direction at a makes his malt, disposes of his malt, and is future time, and after matters have been paid for his malt in general, or at least if adjusted to the present change ; but this I he is not, it is his own fault, before he is do say, that I am most unwilling to give called on to pay the duty, or, in other grounds for complaint, and in proposing to words, to a considerable extent the public abridge these six weeks from the credit find capital for the malsters. This, with given in the case of malt we also propose the slight exception of the hop duties, is that you should incur the very small exaltogether an exceptional privilege. The pense of allowing the malster a discount distiller of spirits, directly after the spirits at the rate of 4 per cent. on the payments are gauged and the gauging officer has made under the proposedl system at an completed his round, is called upon to pay earlier period than he has been accustomed the duty. A delay of five or six weeks is to make them, so that the shortening his all that takes place in the payments of the credit would be a matter limited in extent, distillers of spirits and the makers of and as far as possible reduced to the conpaper, and in point of fact the duty is dition of a banking transaction. Of course paid as soon as the collector can make out in future years there would be no operation the charge. The Government give them of discount, and the credit would stand reduced to whatever Parliament might de- ment. It is, I take it, the clear sense termine. I will not trouble the Committee of the Committee that on this occasion with the intricacies of the arrangements we ought to pay our way. It is also the under which the malt duties are collected, clear sense of the Committee, if I gaand under which the year is divided into ther it rightly, that we ought to pay our certain periods, the malt is gauged, and way without resorting to indirect taxation. the duty charged and collected from the Having done what I am able towards a remalster. But the effect of reducing six duction of the deficiency by a limitation of weeks from the credit allowed to the the malt credits, I still find £4,000,000 of malster will be to bring into the Exchequer, money staring me in the face. And if I and not only that, but to bring into the am to have that money for the service of Exchequer before the 1st of April next, the year, it must be in the Exchequer bethe sum of £780,000, which, if the pre-fore the 1st of April, nor can it be, by any sent course of collection were adhered to, means that I am aware of, in the Exchewould not find its way there before the quer before the 1st of April, unless it is following financial year. In point of fact, inade leviable in one single payment, on the public have £2,500,000 out on loan the first assessment or charge, after the to the maltster, of which I propose to Resolution shall be adopted by the House. take up, by a Resolution I shall submit, a [Murmurs.] I wish to explain to the Comsum something short of £800,000. Well, mittee, if they will hear me, exactly how that is a deduction, as far as it goes, from the payments will stand. I wish to show the rather formidable figure of the deficiency the Committee what it is the tax-gatherer that we have to supply. That deficiency, it will ask for, the next time he shows what I will be recollected, I stated at £4,867,000, suppose we must call his ill-opened visage and the deduction of £780,000 will make at the taxpayer's door. The effect of my it stand at something over £4,000,000. proposal is to place an addition of 11d. in That sum we propose to raise by an aug- the pound upon all incomes under £150, mentation of the income tax. The present and upon all above £150 an addition of rate of the income tax is 5d. in the pound. 6 d., or at the rate, annually, of 13d. on We propose an addition of 4d. in the pound. incomes above £150. But the first halfAn addition of 4d. in the pound would yield yearly payment of the taxpayers whose insomething over £4,000,000 of money. In come is under £150 a year will be at 4d. making an addition of that kind, it will be in the pound. The remaining liability for necessary of course to reintroduce the dis- income tax for 1859-60 will stand exactly tinction between incomes above £150 and as it does now, at 2 d. for both classes. incomes under £150; because that distinc. So that the first half-yearly payment will tion was originally introduced when the rate be 6ld. on incomes above £150, and was at 7d., and was allowed to drop when 4d. on incomes under £150, or at the it fell to 5d. ; but when it goes above 7d., rate of 13d. in the year on incomes over take it for granted there cannot be a doubt £150, and 8d. on incomes under £150. that the distinction must be reintroduced. The result will be that the tax will I think it will also be the feeling and dis- bring into the Exchequer the sum of position of the Committee that any addi- £4,340,000. Adding that to the sun tional rate laid on incomes between £100 of £780,000 which the malt credits will and £150 should be rather lightly laid in bring in, the total will be £5,120,000 reference to sudden calls of this kind, so as Now, the deficit, as I have already stated to give what, in commercial phrascology, I to the Committee, is £4,867,000, and de. may call the turn in their favour. There. ducting that sum from the Ways and Means fore, what I propose is, that the 4d. laid which have thus become available, there upon the general mass of the income tax remains a surplus of £253,000. It will payers should stop at incomes of £150, naturally be observed that this surplus is and that in lieu of 4d. in the pound paid very small, but I should wish to say a word by incomes above £150, the rate of 1 d. to the Committee on that point. I have in the pound should be laid upon incomes already pointed out to the Committee that under £150. But I must frankly admit there is a charge of £400,000 which we that my proposal is, that the whole of the must be prepared to meet in January, which addition to the income tax, which is voted legally falls to the charge of this year, but for the service of the year, shall be made falls to it by an accident, and which really applicable to the service of the year by belongs in the ordinary arrangement of being charged on the first half-yearly pay- our finances, not to this but the following
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year. That being so, I do not consider | people. Look at the charge you bare inthat I am bound to raise taxes for such a curred, and the Estimates you have voted. sum as that. The whole question is whe- Consider, if I may be permitted to make ther it is a sum that can be conveniently the appeal, that neither the honour nor remet out of the public balances, and if the sponsibility of these Estimates are mainly Committee will permit me I will state how ours. Our duty has mainly been to take the public balances have stood lately, how over the Estimates frained for us by our they now stand, and what they are likely predecessors, but yet we have taken them to be at the close of the financial year. over not in the mere discharge of formal On the 30th of June, 1859, the balances official duty, but with a ready warmth and for the financial year were £5,016,000. a conscientious assent. But there stand But on the 1st of April, 1859, at the com: the Estimates. There is the charge you mencement of the financial year, they stood have placed on the public Treasury. How at £7,789,000. In the course of the year will you meet it? Do not allow yourselves it is calculated that there will be several to be swayed by considerations of what additions to the balances from a probable might be merely agreeable. excess of repayments over outgoings for selves whether you have really performed public works, to the extent of £500,000. your duty by simply fixing the expenditure The surplus revenue I have estimated at of the ensuing year, as has been done in £253,000, and these sums will make alto the main and is likely to be entirely done gether £8,542,000. From that you will so, at a sum of £69,000,000. If you hare to deduct £2,000,000. Exchequer have performed your duty in that, there is bonds paid off on the 8th May, in conse- another duty not less transparently clenrquence, as I have no doubt, of the dissolu- namely, that you should make adequate tion of Parliament and there being no op- provision to meet that charge ; and, inportunity to consider whether any provi- stead of ascribing to the great English sion ought to be made for them. Deduct. people a childishi impatience to meet neing these £2,000,000, the probable ba- cessary demands, with which they were lances on the 1st of April, 1860, will be never chargeable, I, on the contrary, shall £6,542,000. That is an ample amount, rely on their unyielding, inexhaustible and more than is absolutely necessary for energy, and generous patriotism, and shall the coming year, because the subsequent be confident that they will never shrink quarter will be relieved in this respect to from or refuse any burden required in no less an extent than £1,000,000 in con- order to sustain the honour and provide sequence of the lapse of a large portion of for the security of the country. With that the terminable annuities. That, I think, conviction I shall conclude by proposing a is the statement which I have to make to formal Vote to the effect that £7,000,000 the Committee. I shall not, of course, ask be granted to lier Majesty out of the Conthe Committee to come to any material solidated Fund for the public service. vote to.night. It will be for the Committee Resolution agreed to. to consider when they will like to resume Resolved, That, towards making good the Supthe discussion of the subject. If I antici- ply granted to Her Majesty, the sum of £7,000,000 pate their wishes rightly, they will pro- be granted out of the Consolidated Fund of tho bably desire to choose a very early day in United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. reference to the state of the weather, of
THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHE. the Session, and some other considerations QUER: The next Resolution I shall only that are better to be reflected on than lay on the table. When will it be convenamed. I shall only propose to-night a nient to consider it ? formal vote of Ways and Means, and I MR. DISRAELI said, that at first ho shall lay on the table the Resolutions hav. was about to suggest Friday ; but as he ing reference to the income tax and the afterwards recollected that Thursday was malt credits. Now let me add another word now a Government night, he would suggest before I sit down. I know I have made a Thursday. great demand on the generosity and pa
SIR HENRY WILLOUGHBY said, he triotism of this Committee ; but do not be would nut at that time enter upon the repelled from considering that demand by question of the income tax, but he wished the fact, which we all know, that it is dis to know if the expenditure mentioned by agreeable to us individually, and does not the Chancellor of the Exchequer as having tend to promote our popularity as a Par- occurred last year was the real bona fide liament, to augment 'the burdens of the expenditure of the year, or was it only VOL. CLIV. (THIRD SERIES.]
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greaterimportance in the commercial world, MR. BASS said, he did not wish the and for the purposes of revenue.
income tax to be removed altogether, as he MR. CRAWFORD said, that represent thought it preferable to direct taxation. ing as he did a great commercial consti- Nor did he make any complaint with retuency, he must express his hearty ap- gard to the proposed alteration as to the proval of the statement of the right hon. collection of the malt tax, but he thought obGentleman. He would, however, urge on jections would be urged on behalf of small the right hon. Gentleman the propriety of malsters or malsters of inferior barley. not making us pay this amount of income Thirteen months' credit was given to the tax all at once. He would also ask him hop-growers, and often six and twelve to bestow his attention, during the recess, months in addition. He supposed the upon a further revision of the tariff, Aanswer he should receive would be that statement of the net annual produce of the they could not pay at the end of thirteen customs of the United Kingdom showed months, but might not the extraordinary that out of the £23,000,000 raised in that credit which was sometimes given be one way, no more than £7,000 was contributed cause? by sixty-seven different articles, some of THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEwhich were of the most insignificant and con. QUER said, that his first duty was to temptible character, and some paying 'no thank the Committee for the general spirit more than £l per annum. The right hon. of kindness and the favourable impressions Gentleman would render a great service to with which his proposals had been rethe commercial world if he would strike ceived. Nothing could be more gratifying, those petty and odious duties out of the and for his part it would be exceedingly tariff, and the mere reduction of the ex- agreeable to meet any wish which was expenses of the Custom House would repay pressed by any number of Gentlemen in the trifling difference in the receipts. that House. With respect to the question
MR. SELWYN said, he thought it a of the payment of the 4d., he hoped hon. hardship that the income tax should be of Members would use a great deal of caution the same amount upon commercial men or before they committed themselves, as the tradesmen and upon the owners of pro- real question came to this, whether they perty. He would also suggest to the right should so raise the money within the year hon. Gentleman that consistently with his or not. He would only notice one or two own views he might do something to re points of detail. With regard to the hop move an anomaly and inconsistency from duties, it would be inopportune to meddle the Statute-book-he alluded to the probate with it at that moment, as the question of duty, which, although it commenced at a the credit to be allowed_was not of any low sum and went on by successive steps, financial importance. The right hon. when it got to a million went no further, Gentleman (Mr. Horsman) had entered If a man died worth £100 it was taxed, upon questions of great importance, which but if he left millions, the second million could hardly be discussed at that moment, did not pay any probate duty. Although and would be more appropriately brought such cases did not often occur, still we had forward in Committee of Supply than in lately heard of persons dying who were said Committee of Ways and Means ; but he to have been worth four or five millions, in the Chancellor of the Exchequer) entirely which instances the first million was taxed, agreed that it was a bad and improvident and the rest of the property altogether system to distribute charges for permanent escaped. Now could not this be altered works over a great number of years. He with benefit to the revenue of the country, would remind the House, as the hon. and in a spirit of justice to the poorer Member for Devonport must remember, classes more especially?
that the first act of the Government which MR. M'CANN said, he was very much came into office in 1853, was to make the gratified to hear the Chancellor of the Ex- Votes towards the erection of the new chequer enunciate the principle that “we Houses of Parliament as large as possible, should pay our way as we go.' Whether in order to accelerate the work. He would with peace or war establishments, nothing not enter largely into the subject of bonded was so conducive to economy. He and his warehouses, which had been raised by the constituents, and, indeed the whole manu- hon. Member for Sheffield (Mr. Hadfield). facturing and working classes of Ireland, It was a subject which had quite a literaapproved of direct as contradistinguished ture and history of its own, and which from indirect taxation.
would afford matter for many nights' discussion. The Government had always |--and he spoke feelingly on that subjectfelt it to be desirable to extend such privi. when, perhaps, the professional man was leges and facilities to consumers, whenever struck with paralysis. There was an end it could be done with safety to the revenue. put at once to this man's income, but the As for the tax on fire insurance he wished Chancellor of the Exchequer taxed them it were in his power to entertain any idea both alike. He (Mr. Roebuck) was quite so agreeable as that of a reduction of the prepared to spare the working classes; but fire insurance duty, but it was absolutely among the working classes was the very requisite as a preliminary to any such re. one to which he belonged. The profesduction that there should be a fund in sional man was well educated and sensitive; hand with which to deal ; then indeed, he contributed largely to the comfort, the there were many beneficial changes and pleasure, and the benefit of mankind. All great reforms in our commercial and fis- the good that had resulted to the world cal system which might be proceeded with, bad resulted from that class of men, but 80 as to remove the most serious blots from still there was not much consideration our Statute-book. The hon. Member for shown for them. To call on a man who the City of London (Mr. Crawford) had derived an income solely from his brain to directed his attention to the desirableness pay at the same rate as one whose income of striking out some of the minor articles resulted from land was to inflict a gross in the tariff. Three times in his public injustice on the man who lived by his life, namely, in 1842, in 1845, and 1853, brain ; and the Chancellor of the Exchehe (Mr. Gladstone) had attempted to deal quer was guilty of cowardice in not daring with that subject, and he could assure the to do the professional class justice in that hon. Member that he stood in need of no respect. spurring to make him resume that course ;
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LORD JOHN MANNERS said, he rose tent that greatly increased the expenditure. to order. The Vote to wbich the hon. Mem. According to Sir W. J. Hooker's report, ber was referring had been passed. there were now 400 flower-beds requiring
MR. SPEAKER said, that the hon. 40,000 plants annually to supply them. He Member was not in order in replying to thought it unwise to convert these grounds anything said in a debate on a Vote that into a gaudy flower garden. In 1854 the had been passed.
Crystal Palace had been established on a MR. AUGUSTUS SMITH said, he commercial principle. It was the first would not reply to anything said in the time such an undertaking had been cardebate, but would call attention to one or ried out either in this or in any other two points. The whole revenue of the country, and he did not see why Kew Crown property amounted to £411,000. Gardens should be changed from their The expenditure of the Commissioners was original object in order to compete with £88,000 ; and the result was that the the Crystal Palace as a flower garden. It country was deprived of an amount of ought to be recollected that the Crystal revenue which ought to go out of the Ex- Palace was not allowed to be opened on chequer.
There ought to be an annual Sundays, and the Kew Gardens were statement laid on the table of the estimated opened on that day. He admitted that expenditure by the Commissioners. He the management of the Gardens did great should on a future occasion take the sense credit to Sir W. J. Hooker. of the House on that point.
museum, erected in 1856, was, however,
unworthy the architecture of this country, Motion agreed to.
Though it overlooked the beautiful garden, House in Committee: Mr. MASSEY in it resembled a third-rate lodging-house the Chair.
more than that which it purported to be. (In the Committee.)
There was a large item-£30,000—asked to be voted for the purpose of building a
new conservatory, with a view of observ. SUPPLY-CIVIL SERVICE ESTIMATES.
ing the growth of a large number of plants (1.) £78,847, Royal Parks, Pleasure which liad been introduced into this country Grounds, &c.
by Sir Joseph Bankes ; but, while he was SIR JOSEPH PAXTON said, he would not prepared to deny that such a building take that occasion to observe that a very was necessary, he thought it might be large increase in the Estimates for the erected at a much less cost than that at purposes of this Vote bad taken place since which it was estimated. His own expe. 1852-a fact which he regarded as open rience led him to the conclusion that an to objection. In 1852, the year after the acre of ground might very well be covered Great Exhibition, when the Parks were in with glass for the sum of £10,000, and a somewhat disordered state, the Vote was he therefore was of opinion that half the £60,546. From that period there had been amount which was asked for would be a constant increase. In seven years it had amply sufficient for the accomplishment of increased from £60,546 to £123,000 or the object which it was sought to attain. more than double. The principal items in With respect to Hyde Park he found that that increase were the sums voted for Kew there was a proposal of Mr. Page's to Gardens and Hyde Park, and, while he spend £30,000 in making certain alterawas one of the last persons who should tions in the Serpentine ; but, while he was object to such places being kept up in a ready to admit that that picce of water becoming manner, he must complain of the stood in need of improvement, he must peculiar objects for which the expenditure object to the construction of an island had been incurred. Kew Gardens, for in. within it, inasmuch as it would, in his stance, which up to 1852 had been devoted opinion, altogether destroy the grandeur to botanical purposes, had since that of the effect. He might also remark period been transferred into a popular that very considerable expense had been flower garden. They had been told when incurred in what he might term garLord Llanover was at the head of the denizing Hyde Park. For his own part Board of Works that Sir W. J. Hooker he objected to such a procese, inasmuch as had suggested great improvements in these he was of opinion that a number of beautiGardens. The noble Lord had enlarged ful trees and a green turf was the proper the boundaries of the Gardens, and sanc- aspect for a park to assume. Although tioned the making of flower-beds to an ex. he was willing to admit that for some of the improvements the noble Lord opposite sent, however, there was an intelligent deserved credit, yet he thought that if one gardener there who would no doubt soon half of the sum expended in what was bring it into admirable order. Our public called improving the Park had been spent Parks ought to be the pride of the country in laying down turf between the drive and and, the metropolis ; but they were ceroutside railing, they would have bad a tainly not so in their present condition. beautiful grass plot something like that in He hoped, therefore, that the Chief ComBerkeley Square, which was so much ad- missioners of Works would take
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(17.) £1,211, Court of Common Pleas, before this Vote was passed. He should Ireland.
therefore move, that the Vote be post(18.) £10,370, Court of Exchequer, poned. Ireland.
MR. VANCE said, he thought that the (19.) £200, Clerk to the Taxing Offi- per centage system acted very unfairly. cers for the Three Law Courts.
He thought that, if anything, the small (20.) £3,933, Registrars to the Judges estates ought to pay the most, as they and Registrars of Nisi Prius, Ireland. gave precisely the same trouble as the
(21.) £1,368, Registration of Judg. large ones. ments, Ireland.
LORD FERMOY said, he wished to ask (22.) £300, Fees to Advocates. what arrangement was made with the Bank
(23.) £4,282, Conrt of Bankruptcy and of Ireland as to the sums received from Insolvency, Ireland.
suitors in this Court? He did not ask for (24.) £4,105, Court of Probate, Ireland. the actual figures.
(25.) £4,211, Landed Estates Courts, MR. CARDWELL said, that the arIreland.
rangement was made by the Treasury, and MR. DARBY GRIFFITH said, he he did not know precisely what it was. wished to ask for some explanation of this SIR EDWARD GROGAN said, that Vote. He thought that this Court was the Committee were asked to pass a Vote not based on right principles in regard to with no information whatever. Would the the means by which the payments of its right hon. Gentleman undertake to give inexpenses were met.
formation to the House ? MR. CARDWELL said, that this Vote MR. CARDWELL said, he would have was to carry into effect an Act of Parlia- no objection to furnish the information rement passed last Session, when these quired. principles were much discussed in the Vote agreed to. House. The Committee would not re- MR. DARBY GRIFFITH said, that he verse the decision then solemnly come to bad moved the postponement of the Vote. upon a mere Vote of this kind.
THE CHAIRMAN said, that such a MR, WILLIAMS said, he believed that Motion could not be made. The Vote the principle was bad ; suitors availing must be either negatived or withdrawn. themselves of this Court ought to pay the The following Votes were agreed to: expense of supporting it. This he con- (26.) £450, Revising Barristers, Dubsidered a just principle. He thought that lin. this Vote ought not to be required.
(27.) £300, Clerk to the Court of Er. MR. WHITESIDE said, that for some rors, Ireland. time this Court cost the country from (28.) £1,100, Police Justices, Dublin £17,000 or £18,000 to £20,000 ; but at Metropolis. present the nation was put to no expense (29.) £31,378, Metropolitan Police, on its account.
Dublin. SIR EDWARD GROGAN thought the (30.) £450,768 Constabulary Force, Committee ought to know what sum had Ireland. been received by the Court in fees. Unless Viscount DUNCAN said, he hoped that that were known, the Committee could not some explanation would be given of this know whether or not this Vote ought to Vote, on which a large increase had taken
place annually since its establishment. It MR. CARDWELL said, he had no ob- was admitted that tranquillity and prosjection to a return being laid on the table perity were increasing in Ireland ; why of the sums received.
then was it necessary to maintain there MR. WISE said, that there was evi- a larger police force than usual ? dently something very wrong about this LORD NAAS said, the reason of the Vote. If the hon. Member (Sir E. Gro increase was, that as the force had ingan) would divide the Committee, he would creased, the pension 'list had necessarily go into the lobby with him.
increased also, and additions had been reMR. LAING said, that the reason why quired for good-service pay and for merithe amount of the fees or poundage was torious services, such as was customary not stated in the Estimate was the short in all forces. The force itself, however, ime the Court had been in existence. by a recent Act, had been considerably re
MR. DARBY GRIFFITH thought that duced, and the quota to each county was the information asked for ought to be given now much smaller than it was.
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Bessemer's Process of Manufacturing | Bridges, Sir B. W., Kent, E.
Steel,
Roman Catholic Relief Act Amendment, Leave, c. Question (Mr. Lyall), 887
715 ; 2R, 1104
Supply-New Ilouses of Parliament, 1344
BETHELL, Sir R., see Attorney General, The
BRIGHT, Mr. J., Birmingham
Address in Answer to the Speech, 217, 257
Endowed Schools, 2 R. 759
Bibles-Patent of the Queen's Printers,
Feejee Islands, The, 1053 c. Question (Mr. Baines), 970
Greive's Disabilities Removal, 2R, 1045
Indian Budget, The, 586, 587, 1202
Bills of Exchange and Promissory Notes Packet, &c., Contracts, Nomination of Com.
1084
Biu 1. IR, 1370
Briscoe, Mr. J. I., Surrey, W.
BLACKBURN, Mr. P., Stirlingshire
Imprisonment for Small Debts, Leave, 676
Volunteer Corps, Com, moved for, 688 Endowed Schools, Nomination of Com, 1077 Greive's Disab‘lities Removal, 1R. 652 Printing Committee, Instruction, 1075
British & Canadian Telegraph Company Privilege, Breach of, 441
Bill,
Supplý-Harbours of Refuge, 1347, 1351 ;- c. 1R.* 862; 2R.*ib. Public Works (Ireland), 1353
Consid., 1381
Blackburn, Appointment of Mr. Justice, BROUGHAM, Lord 2. Observations (Lord Lyndhurst), 508
Address in Answer to the Speech, 66
Attorneys and Solicitors, 2R, 1188
Board of Trade,
Chancery, Court of, Evidence, Com, moved for,
1034
c. Question (Sir S. Northcote), 687;-Supply, 1354
County Courts Commitments, Returns moved
for, 773, 774
Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Court, Returns
Boundaries (Ireland) Bill,
moved for, 559, 779, 784 c. 1R.* 1292
Endowed Schools, 295
Italy, Affairs of, 859 ;— Treaty of Peace, 1024 ;
BOUVERIE, Hon. E. P., Kilmarnock, &c. Papers moved for, 1285, 1369 Chichester Harbour Embankment, 3R. 1380
Jamaica Immigration Act, 050, 951 Criminal Justico, Middlesex (Assistant Judge),
Ministerial Explanations, 429
2R. 433; Com. add. cl. 1277, 1278
National Defences, 642 Dovor Election, 1384, 1385
Navy Estimates, 521
Endowed Schools, Com. 771
Statute Law Consolidation, IR. 1376 Greive's Disabilities Removal, 2R, 1046 Packet Contracts, Com, moved for, 812
BROWNE, Lord J. T., Mayo Co. Privilege, Breach of, 442
Packet, &c., Contracts, Com. moved for, 836,
Red Sea and India Telegraph Company, (No. 2) 1361 Lords' Amends. 791, 968
Supply-The Royal Parks, 1440 Sandwich Writ, 450, 454
BRUCE, Major C. L. Cumming, Elgin and
BOWYER, Mr. G., Dundalk
Nairnshire Criminal Procedure, Leave, 495 Foreign Enlistment Act Amendment, Leave,
Supply-County Courts, 1358 703
Italy, Affairs of-Count Cavour's Circular, 886 BRUCE, Mr. H. A., Merthyr Tydvil
Roman Catholic Relief Act Amendment, 2R. Highways, Leave, 842 852 Navy Estimates, 1010
Roman Catholic Seamen, 552
BUCHANAN, Mr. W., Glasgow
BRADY, Mr. J. A., Leitrim
Chichester Harbour Embankment, 3R. 1379 Food, Adulteration of, 2R. 849
Landlord and Tenant, Law of (Ireland), 477, Budget, The
863- Financial
c. Question (Mr. Ilorsfall) 1203 ;- Packet, &c., Contracts, Nomination of Com. 1081, 1082
Statement, Res. (Chancellor of the Esche- Privilege, Breach of, 446, 548
BRAND, Hon. H. B. W. (Secretary to the
Treasury,) Lewes
Leave of Absence to Members, 1203 Ministerial Re-Elections, 440 Sandwich Writ, 452
BURY, Viscount, Norwich
Address in Answer to the Specch, 140
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Dickson, Col. S. A.- coni.
Du CANE, Mr. C., Essex, N. Packet, &c., Contracts, Nomination of Com.
Church Rates Abolition, 2 R. Amend., 1129 1083
Roman Catholic Relief Act Amendment, 2R, Duff, Mr. M. E. G., Elgin, &c.
Adj. moved, 1122, 1128 Volunteer Corps, Com. moved for, 686
Address in Answer to the Speech, 205
Dillwyn, Mr. L. L., Swansea
DUNCAN, Viscount, Forfarshire Church Rates Abolition, 2R. 1129 ; Com. 1187
Atlantic Telegraph Company (No. 2), Lords' Endowed Schools, 2R. 716, 765 ; Com. 769,
Amends., 1040
771 : Nomination of Com. 1075, 1076, 1077,
British and Canadian Telegraph Company, 1362
Consid., 1381 Criminal Justice, Middlesex, (Assistant Judge),
Com. add. cl., 1278
Diplomatic Pensions Bill
Packet, &c., Contracts, Com. moved for, 820,
c. Leave, 600; 1R.* ib.
1362
Red Sea and India Telegraph Company, (No. 2) DISRAELI, Rt. IIon. B., (CHANCELLOR of the
Lords' Amends., 964, 969
EXCHEQUERT) Buckinghamshire
St. James's Park-Berkeley IIouse, 978
Sheriff's Courts (Scotland), 1200
Address in Answer to the Speech, 122, 266, 272
Supply—Harbours of Refuge, 1351 ;–County Business of the House, 556
Courts, Amend., 1357, 1358;-Constabulary Church Rates Abolition, 2R. 1175
Force (Ireland), 1444 Financial Statement-The Budget, Res., 1410 Germany, Correspondence with, 888
DUNCOMBE, Hon. Rear Adm. A., York-
Italy, Affairs of- The Armistice, 892, 894, 975; shire, E. Riding -The Peace, 1051
Navy Estimates, 1239, 1240 Military Organization, Com. moved for, 612
Packet, &c., Contracts, Com. moved for, 821; DUNCOMBE, Hon. W. E., Yorkshire, N.
Nomination of Com. 1093
Red Sea and India Telegraph Company (No. 2)
Riding Lords' Amends. 966, 970
Volunteer Corps, Com. moved for, 687 Resignation of Ministers, 431
Roman Catholic Relief Act Amendment, 2R. DUncombe, Mr. T. S., Finsbury
1123Financial Statement, 866 Speaker, Choice of a, 8, 10
Foreign Office Returns, 447
Ilealth, Public, 1203, 1204
DIVETT, Mr. E., Eiteter
Italy, War in— The British Commissioners, Ad- Property, Law of, and Trustees Relief Amend-
dress moved, 192, 539 ment, 2R, 591
Lord's Day Observance Act, 190 Privilege, Breach of, 442, 445
Sandwich Writ, 451, 453
Divorce and Matrimonial Causes Court
l. Returns moved for, (Lord Broughan) 559; DUNKELLIN, Viscount, Galway Observations, (Lord Chelmsford) 776
Packet Contracts, Com, moved for, 811
c. Question (Mr. E. James), 555
DUNLOP, Mr. A. M., Greenock
Divorce Court, Bill
Supply - Customs Department, 1334 ;- - Port 1. 1R.* 1024
Patrick Ilarbour, 1352 ;-Stationery, Print-
ing, &c., 1356 ;-County Courts, 1357
Dockyard Commission, The
Universities (Scotland) Leave, 1302 C: Question (Mr. Kinglake) 809
DUNNE, Col. F. P., Queen's Co.
Dodson, Mr. J. G., Sussex, East
Army Estimates, 1267 Supply-Superannuations, 1335; - Harbours of Contracts, Government, 554; Com. moved for; Refuge, 1348
613, 614 Endowed Schools, Nomination of Com., 1075,
1077
Dovor Election,
Ilalf Pay Officers, Com. moved for, 713 c. Petition (Mr. E. P. Bouverie) 1384
India-Mutiny of European Troops, 992
Military Organization, Com. moved for, 610
Dovor Mail Contract,
Packet, &c., Contracts, Com, moved for, 834,
1361 c. Question (Mr. Rich), 1220
Privilege, Breach of, 443
Supply--Constabulary Force (Ireland), 1445 ;
Drainage, Metropolitan
-Government Prisons, 1446 c. Question (Mr. John Locke), 537
Volunteer Corps, Com. moved for, 603, 695 DRUMMOND, Mr. U., Surrey, IV.
Dwellings for Labouring Classes (Ireland) Church Rates Abolition, 2R. 1173
Bill, Highways, Leave, 811
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Income Tax, Collection of the,
Ireland.-cont.
c. Question (Mr. Butler), 974
See
Bankruptcy and Insolvency (Irelanul) Act
India,
Amendment Bill
Cabul and Afghanistan, c. Return to be printed Boundaries (Ireland) Bill
(Mr. Iladfield), 185
Constabulary Force (Ireland) Bill
Delhi, King of, Trial of, c. Question (Mr. Kin- Dwellings for Labouring Classes (Ireland) naird), 430
Bill
East India Company's European Regiments, c. Judgments (Ireland) Bill Question (Mr, Varsittart), 653
Tramways (Ireland) Bill
Medals for the Army, c. Question (Capt. L.
Vernon), 1297; (Mr. II. Baillie), ib. Italy, Affairs of,
Mutiny Compensation, c. Question (Mr. Van- 1. Notice of Motion (Viscount Stratford de Red- sittart), 1200
cliffe), 614; Notice withdrawn, 855, 1187;
Mutiny of European Troops, c. Observations Observations (Earl of Derby), 775 ; Notice (Col. Dunne), 992
of Motion (Earl of Malmesbury), 946;-
Operations in, c. Acknowledgment of Vote of Treaty of Peace, Question (Lord Brougham), Thanks, 98, 297, 433
1024;— Papers moved for (Earl of Malmes-
Organization of the Army, c. Question (Mr. bury), 1281, 1363
Torrens), 652; (Mr. II. Baillie), 1204 c. Address moved (Mr. T. Duncombe), 192;
Oude, c. Question (Mr. Kinnaird), 533
Notice of Motion (Lord Elcho), 477, 536 ;
Question (Mr. T. Duncombe), 539 ;- ;- The
Indian Financial Statement,
Armistice, Question (Mr. Walpole), 867; (Mr. c. Question (Mr. Bright), 586, 1202
S. FitzGerald), 873; (Mr. Disraeli), 975 ;-
Count Cavour's Circular, Question (Mr. B.
Indian Loan,
Cochrane), 881 ; Explanation (Lord J. Rus- c. Question (Mr. Crawford), 548
sell), 892 ;- The Peace, Question (Mr. Dis-
raeli), 1051; (Mr. Horsman), 1298; Ex-
INGHAM, Mr. R., South Shields
planation (Lord Elcho), 1304 ; Observations Charing Cross Railway, 3R. 134
(Mr. S. FitzGerald), 1309 Members Accepting Office, Leave, 706
Jackson, Mr. W., Newcastle-under-Lyme,
Inland Revenue Department-Supply, Gas, London (City), 2R. 436 c. 1334
Navy-Shipbuilding Department, 436, 437;-
Estimates, 998
Insolvent Debtor's Court-Supply,
Ryland, Mr., Case of, Com, moved for, 663
c. 1356
Jamaica Immigration Act,
Ireland
1. Petition (Lord Brougham), 950
Catholic University Dublin, I. Question (Earl of Shaftesbury), 185
JAMES, Mr. E. J., Marylebone
County Rates c. Question (Mr. IIassard), 792 Criminal Justice, Middlesex (Assistant Judge),
Endowed Schools, l. Question (Earl of Cork),
2R. 596 ; Com. add. cl., 1278
Divorce Court, 555
Galway Contract, The, c. Question (Mr. Bax- Food, Adulteration of, 2R, 849 ter), 653
Ilong Kong, Papers moved for, 1057, 1060
Grand Jury Acts, c. Question (Mr. Lanigan), London Corporation Reform, 1432 1383
Poor Law Board (Payment of Debts), Com.
Kinsale, Riots at, l., Question (Marquess of
1279 Clanricarde), 1280
Reform Bill, 500 c. Question (Mr. V. Scully), 1295, 1383
Supply-Royal Parks, 1442
Landed Estates Court, c. Question (Mr. Grif- Weights and Measures, Verification of, 1201
fith), 795
Landlord and Tenant, Law of, c. Question Japan, Importation of Opium into
(Mr. V. Scully), 192 ; (Mr. Brady), 477, 863 ; (Mr. Ilassard), 894; Observations (The
c. Question (Mr. Baines), 1294
,
, c
Army Estimates, 1324, 1329 Scully), 1295
Militia—Rifle Corps, l. Question (Marquess of
Civil Service Commission, Address moved, 1072 Londonderry), 785
Military Organization, Com, moved for, 611
Volunteer Corps, Com, moved for, 682
Ordnance Survey of, c. Question (Mr.V. Scully),
Supply—Public Works, c. 1353, 1354 ;-Lord Jewish Members, Oath of
Lieutenant's Houschold,&c. ;- Paymasters
c. Res. (Lord J. Russell), 14 ; Res. 23 1 5
of Civil Services ; – Inspectors of Lunatic
Asylums;-- General Register Ofice (Dublin), JOLLIFFE, Rt. IIon. Sir W. G. H., Peters
1354 ;- Admiralty Court (Dublin), 1356 ; field
Law Courls, 1442, 1443; --Constabulary and Criminal Justice, Middlesex (Assistant Judge),
Police, 1444 ;— Prisons, 1446, 1418
Com. cl. 1, 1276 ; add. cl. 1278
Western Yacht Club, c. Question (Mr. Cogan), Leave of Absence to Members, 1203 1382
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Napier, Vice Admiral Sir C., Southwark New South Wales and Queensland, Debt
Address in Answer to the Speech, 156, 372
of,
Army-The Home Force, 987
1. Question (Earl of Carnarvon), 1025
Bounty to Seamen, 992
c. Question (Mr. Marsh), 1296
National Defences, 481 Naval Defences, 437
Navy, Manning the-The Queen's Proclama- Newspapers, dc., Bill,
tion, 421, 422 ;-Estimates, 903, 908, 923,c. 1R.* 190; 943, 997, 999, 1001, 1002, 1009, 1017, 1018,
2R. 432; Adj. Debate, 656 1225, 1231, 1232, 1247, 1252, 1253
St. James's Park-Berkeley House, 983 NICOL, Mr. W., Dovor
Supply-Harbours of Refuge, 1348
National Debt Ofice-Supply,
c. 1354
NORMANBY, Marquess of
Address in Answer to the Speech, 63, 80
National Defences,
Italy, Affairs of, 860; Papers moved for, 1284,
1287 1. Observations (Lord Lyndhurst), 616 c. Observations (Sir C. Napier), 181; — see
Humber, Defences of the
NORTH, Col. J. S., Oxfordshire
Army Estimates, 1272, 1326
Army, Examinations for the, 796, 1056
Naval Defences,
Gas, London (City), 2R. 435 6. Observations (Sir C. Napier), 437
Half-Pay Officers, Com. moved for, 712
Volunteer Corps, Com. moved for, 698
Naval Pensioners, C. Question (Sir G. Pechell), 974
NORTHCOTE, Sir S. H. (Secretary to the
Treasury t), Stamford
Board of Trade, 587
Navy,
Endowed Schools, 2R, Amend. 725
Bounty to Seamen, c. Explanation (Sir J.
Financial Statement—The Budget, Res. 1414
Pakington), 983; Observations (Sir C. Na-
tIndia-Cabul and Affghanistan Return, 185 pier), 992
Dockyard Commission, The, c. Question (Mr.
Navy Estimates, 1016 Kinglake), 899
Navy, Manning the-The Queen's Proclama-
tion, 422
Estimates, l. Question (Lord Brougham), 521; c. 900; Observations (Mr. W. Williams), 989,
Packet, &c. Contracts, Com. moved for, 805 ;
Nomination of Com. 1086 996 ; Amend. (Mr. Kinnaird), 1015; Amend.
Red Sea and India Telegraph Company (No.2), withdrawn, 1016, 1223
Lords' Amends. 961, 964
Manning the - The Queen's Proclamation, c.
Submarine Telegraph Company, 973; Explana-
Question (Sir C. Napier), 421; (Sir J.
tion, 1199, 1200 Pakington), 640; Observations (Lord C.
Supply-Holyhead Harbour, 1352 ;-Port Pa- Paget), 589
Masters in the, c. Question (Mr. H. Berkeley),
trick Ilarbour, 1353;-Prosecutions, 1356 539
Roman Catholic Seamen, c. Question (Mr. Oaths Bill,
Hennessy), 550
c. 1R.* 477
Shipbuilding Department, Question (Mr. Jack- son), 436
O'BRIEN, Mr. P., King's Co.
Packet, &c. Contracts, Nomination of Com. NEWCASTLE, Duke of (Secretary of State
1083 for the Colonies) Hudson's Bay Company, 1193
O'CONNELL, Captain D., Tralee Italy, Affairs of, 1369
Militia Commission, The, 1320 Jarnaica Immigration Act, 950
Postal Service from England to Australia, 865 Militia, The, 189
Savings Banks, 587 Ministerial Explanations, 469 New South Wales and Queensland, Debt of, 1025
O'Donoghoe, The, Tipperary Co. Volunteer Corps, 519, 521
Landlord and Tenant, Law of, (Ireland), 1302
NEWDEGATE, Mr. C. N., Warwickshire, N. Offences against the Person Bill,