After looking to find out how BC and AD were determined, and how people knew what year it really was, I came across this article. Keeping Time: The Origin of B.C. & A.D. Some things that I found interesting are as follows:In bold are the things that have me wondering. Even if you try to date the age of the Earth, there's a 50 million year margin of error. So with inaccuracies and zeros, and no zeros, and making the change to forget about an emperor, etc., how exactly can we accurately determine what year we're truly in? Is this really just the year 4,540,000,000, is it 2016, 2018, 2500? How do we know? Disclaimer: This isn't meant to be a flexing contest between believers and non-believers, just the accuracy of what year we're supposed to actually be in. edit on 12-4-2017 by LSU0408 because: (no reason given) edit on 12-4-2017 by LSU0408 because: (no reason given)
I always wondered what "year" it actually was in what we now call the year 100AD or 100BC.
Does it matter? Personally, this is the year 51
a reply to: LSU0408 There is no such thing as the "real" number of a year. They are conventional labels adopted for the sake of convenience. The absence of a "zero" year is not just about whether people understood the concept. The best way of putting it is that Jesus was notionally born at "point zero", midnight on December 31st. Purely for calendar-calculation purposes. 1 B.C.means "the last twelve months before the moment when Jesus was born" A.D. 1 means "the first twelve months after the moment when Jesus was born". On that basis, there is no need for the calendar to contain a "Year Zero". edit on 12-4-2017 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)
Pretty much this.
a reply to: LSU0408 or the jewish year, Wed, 12 April 2017 = 16th of Nisan, 5777
We are in the first year of the reign of the Donald .
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we are at a moment in infinity time is a man made construct
a reply to: LSU0408 then there is the muslim date, Wed, 12 April 2017 = 15th Rajab, 1438hWednesday edit on 12-4-2017 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)
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a reply to: LSU0408 here's something you might like, Convert A Date edit on 12-4-2017 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason
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a reply to: DISRAELI check the site i just posted
I'm a huge nerd for all things "time". of all systems put in place to allow us to process the world, time is the most (un)real and fascinating of all.
a reply to: DISRAELI they didn't list it that i saw but i found this. Chinese New Year is the longest and most important celebration in the Chinese calendar. The Chinese year 4715 begins on Jan. 28, 2017
a reply to: LSU0408 It does not matter how we choose to keep track of time or what we call the unit of measure. We could restart with a new calendar today making it year one. Chinese calendar is different and people still follow that. So in short any calendar we create won't be accurate because there is unknown variables like when the earth was created for one. So we have to pick an arbitrary date to start counting now the BC method has come in handy because as we discover fossils etc we can always go back further in time without affecting our current calendar. So your argument isnt so much that the calendar is wrong as it is that you believe the method it was created is flawed. But if everyone uses it to keep track of time it doesnt matter if its creation was flawed and the wrong date chosen does it? edit on 4/12/17 by dragonridr because: (no
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So do we start dating once the earth was fully formed or from the moment that two pebbles came together and started spinning?
All you need to know is when your kids birthday is/are. Don't forget your wife either.
a reply to: olaru12 and your anniversary, and valentines day. God help a man that forgets those. Page 2
There is a conspiracy that says there are 300 years of history that are fiction or made up. If that is the case then the current year is 1717 AD. The Phantom Time Hypothesis The Great Gregorian Calendar Conspiracy Is Ancient History Completely Made Up By 'The Man'? edit on 21-9-2017 by eManym because: (no reason given)
a reply to: LSU0408 The most accurate we would have would be from when time began. Maybe we should just be the year 13.7 billion. Of course aliens on a planet which orbits it's sun twice as fast would say it's the year 27.4 billion. If we want to be consistent across the universe it would need to be based on planck time. They say there's more plancks in a second then there are seconds since the big bang so the number would have a lot of digits. I'm not sure if we even have enough paper in the world to write down the correct "year" on a calendar. Might be easier to just use the calendars we have now.
Not when people are trying to discuss what happened before four or five thousand years ago. Your system is no help to pre-historians and geologists. In any case, the discussion is not about which calendar system is better, but about how the conventional western calendar actually works.
a reply to: residentofearth Indeed. The question in hand was how the Christian calendar works, not which calendar was right. I did point out, in my first post in the thread, that there is no such thing as a "real" year number, because they are all conventional labels. edit on 22-9-2017 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)
a reply to: DISRAELI The lack of a year zero bites in any mirror image calendar. Babylonian and Indian calendars area lot older than our's. It whether counting from an astronomical conjunction, or some King's reign, without a zero, they're still going to be a year short. So Nostradamus's 1999 equals Dec 31, 2000 AD. Plus Seven months equals July 31, 2001 AD. Trick numerology then subtracts 19 days back to mid July, and it's "Climb Mt Nitaka" moment, And the second # 19. "He will bring to life, the King of the Mongols". Fake interpretations left the doors open for the 9/11, 2001 AD attacks by wildly successful terrorists! Suffice to say that today, "World Karma" is hanging over Tokyo and Tehran. Yes! These old dates have bitten us in our tush, and will do so again. If the Romans had the zero, then the year, 1999 would also be 1999 AD Page 3
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a reply to: DISRAELI your welcome.
Mathematically, 532 - 247 = 285 years difference. 2017 - 285 = 1732, give or take the 4 year difference.
Fascinating subject! I think our need to put things into correct numerical boxes is at the root of this. It pretty much makes our date just a marker, nothing more. We box things up in America by decades and by generations. We were raised to think of the birth of Christ as the year zero. Another thing we realize is taught as truth, when it is just a guess.
Thirteenth baktun 13.0.4.6.13 According to the Mayan calendar. (4/12/2017) The last digit counts up to 19. When you hit '20' days, you add one to previous digit (in this case, '6') 13.0.4.7.0 = 4/20/2017 man! Like groovy!
a reply to: LSU0408 i think we should start count from the oldest human remains ever found. We are in the year 100,000 something.
I think it would have been best to keep track of moon cycles as a time indicator.
Christ entered the flesh on Sept 11, 69bc at 4:20 am, Im sure of it!
How can we still be today, when some folks are already tomorrow?
a reply to: LSU0408 The year is accurate relative to our histories if you look in reverse until there is a gap in the record. Each day is recorded and was recorded through hundreds of years. If there is a gap or discrepancy it would be early in our timelines. Trust professionals on this, the margin of error is very low.
a reply to: LSU0408 It would also depend on the calendar you are using The BC/AD one is very VERY Christian centric. Why not the Jewish, or one of the other faiths for example?Real answer? Its a consesus as to the date being 2017. It does not matter what year we are actually in. We've prety much agreed this year is 2017, and that is all that matters.
a reply to: LSU0408 L.S.U. Quite an interesting O.P. Here's my take, and this one counts! It doesn't make much difference until you need to date something from before AD 01. B.C. and A.D. are book matched years. They are joined at the hip. Some Indian sites account for this by putting (+1), in between B.C. 01 and A.D. 01. IN this way they can align our messed up calendars to their ancient Hindu ones. I take a different line to get to the same place. Nostradamus gave us a verse, "In the year 1999, and Seven Months". This is the infamous Century X, Quatrain 72, about the Great King of Terror. I put that Indian (+1), after 1999 A.D. ( Dec. 31st, no less). And then I add seven months to get July 31st, 2001 A.D. It seems better to merely add that extra year to the series of 1999 years to get the proper date, than to squeeze it in between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D. But here is where Nostradamus's genius appears. Most volumes show Centuries, ( chapters), in Roman Numerals. Like his namesake, the Cathedral of Notre Dame, in Paris, he uses "Buttresses". Usually these are the preceding Century in Roman Numerals. So take IX, & X, as a simple Roman Numeral ( IXX) which is 19. But it gets better. Think of Indiana Jones cutting off "the Staff of Ra", in the movie Raiders. In Hindi Arabic digits, the new way to say Arabic Numbers, these same two Chapters give 09,10. Since you can't carve off zero from each end of RA's staff, it leaves you with 91, instead of the Romanesque 19. Now subtract the quatrain #, 72 from 91, and you get the second "19". You can take your pick, but one alludes to 19 souls whose fate is sealed, and the other subtracts 19 days from July 31, 2001 A.D. So the actual solution is July 12th, 2001 A.D. This sets the stage, so now read the verse itself. Is the King of the Mongols, raised to life, on July 12th, or due to the INT. Dateline, July 13th?? Is the Great King of Terror, "European", July 12th, or July 13, due to the Greenwich Prime Meridian. "U.M.T.". Anytime after 12:00 P.M. here in the Western U.S.A. puts both Tokyo and Salon en Provence' ahead one calendar day to July 13th. Late in the Nineteenth Century, in Japan, a low level civil servant named a junior son, Isaruku, Yamamoto. This name means the number 56 in Japanese. Understanding this name's pedigree, will let you understand most of what happened to us, here, in the U.S.A. on Sept. 11th, 2001 A.D. It's the center of a magic square, inside the 47 Ronin, of Japanese culture. So 4 : 5 : 6 : 7, will give away the conspiracy, when you read it from right to left, in the Japanese fashion. Reading it from Left to Right in our American fashion, throws a big monkey wrench into that aforesaid conspiracy. In Japanese it reads 731, 11, 9. In Japanese, Unit 731 was their WWII bio chem warfare complex in Manchuria. They use the European dating of 11th Month, & 9th Day. But reading it in the American fashion, it gives 9, 11, 13, 07. This leaves, from where do you start counting in years to get to Sept. 11th, 2001 A.D.??? I realized that the best point of origin was on the decks of the U.S.S. Missouri, in Tokyo Bay, on Aug. 31st, 1945. Add in those 56 years and you arrive at Sept 01, 2001 A.D. We stuck a very sharp stick into the eye of the Japanese Emperor, on that last day of August, 1945 A.D. If the conspirators had waited one extra day, for Sept. 13th to cover Washington D.C., I believe their Anthrax attacks would have knocked our central Gov't out of commission. But by jumping the gun, one single day out of 56 years, the wife of Ted Olsen, the White House counselor, was in Flight 93, and made a direct cell phone link into the Situation Room at the White House. That linkup caused the heroes to rush the cockpit and someone brought Flight 93 down in S.W. Pennsylvania, far short of it's target. The small military? jet following right behind the big airliner, had to break off and return to it's home field, presumably still carrying it's deadly load of anthrax. Adm. Yamamoto's first Pearl Harbor attack flubbed, when our aircraft carriers were out at sea. On the second attack, Mrs. Olsen caused them to flub, things up to the same extent, and they only saw the same number of casualties, around 3000. Now, if they had waited one more day, to put their plan into action, I think Mrs. Olsen would already have been in California, and Flight 93, would have flown straight on, into Wash. D.C., and the little bird, " Drone"??, would have released its deadly Anthrax. And the Anthrax, which we call the Aimes, Iowa strain, came from Unit 731, originally. So those Anthrax letters, were a diversion, just like the Trade Tower attacks, earlier in the Morning. Both diversions worked out, but the main attack flubbed. But now that you know about the magic square in the 47 Ronin, why was Unit 731, named after them in the first place?? Adm. Yamamoto was already a Senior Japanese Navy Officer, before they overran Manchuria. So did Yamamoto, himself, name that accursed place?? Adm. Yamamoto wrote a curious letter to his friends. He claimed that if he were killed, "his will would go on". This was a year or two before Pearl Harbor. I solved Pearl Harbored as a verb, with "Torpedoed Too Early". My guess is that both of these attacks should have been carried out, one or two, days later. Heck, N.Y.C. may well have sported the Twin Pagodas, instead of the Twin Towers. They were built as part of the 1964 World's Fair, in New York City. Those 47 Ronin, dispersed and laid low for several years, before they got back together and avenged their slain Lord. But laying low for 56 long years, shows great patience, in my book. I just hope that this screed shows how important that year zero, can be, two thousand years later. Parts of Italy were just then changing over to Arabic Numbers around the lifetime of Nostradamus. The Church had laws forbidding this, before then.
a reply to: DISRAELI Nope! You flubbed it! Our AD date is T the beginning of the 21st Century,even though it's 2017. Same thing with 1 AD. Indian long count calendars add this missing year as (+1),in between 1 BC, and 1 AD. Your argument works on either side, but not on both sides . Indians look at this as a hiccup!
That doesn't mean their way is the right way. It just means they don't understand how the system works, as originally designed. The year 1 B.C. is immediately followed by the year A.D. 1, being separated by a Point Zero.
a reply to: DISRAELI It's really depends what do You believe and in which culture/religion You are living. For Jews there is year 5778, for Muslims there is year 1438, for Christian its 2017, for Chinese its 4000 and more.. for Earth there is third bn.
No wonder the world didn't end in 2012.
a reply to: DISRAELI Good try! But counting forward from four or five thousand years ago, eliminates these mirror year "hiccups"! These Indian sites are also counting towards a golden age, coming in the near future. The Jewish Lunar calendar also eliminates any BC to AD hiccups. |
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